[sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] [BAPS-Organizing] Re: Replacing the term "bottom-liner" with..?

[Margaretha]

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> On Jan 15, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> some more hopefully-less-hierarchical-terms:
> 
> * responsibili-buddy
> * point-of-contact
> * liaison
> * ambassador
> * confidant
> * advocate
> * messenger
> * intermediary
> * connection
> * fixer
> * agent
> * emissary
> * promoter
> * producer
> 
> Perhaps "producer" is subtly honest, "responsibili-buddy" is most fun to pronounce, and "coordinator" is the closest practical analog to the current "bottom-liner"?
> 
> // Matt
> 
> p.s. "Advocate" goes in a totally different direction, maybe worth some consideration...
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:06 AM, niki <niki.shelley at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I don't know who you are, Ed Rippy, but I can't wait to meet you IRL! 
>> 
>> Love these thoughts and hope we can expand on them / work to develop actionable solutions / experiments.
>> 
>> <3
>> 
>> Niki
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 11:06 PM, Ed Rippy <ed.rippy at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 01/11/2015 10:17 PM, Michael Nicoloff wrote:
>>>> I know on the BAPS side of things there's been on-and-off problems with finding enough people to bottom-line classes, and that often the duties of bottom-lining have unevenly fallen on a few key people, so that even if the name bottom-liner hasn't struck me as a problem, the organizing practice has at times felt built on shaky ground. What in theory is a non-coercive, equal, from-each-to-each kind of horizontalism becomes not so much that in practice, with responsibility (and power) concentrating/burdening a small number of folks.
>>> 
>>> -- This always happens. Democracy is a great ideal, & it wd be even greater if our fundamental equality as human beans translated into equality of work output. It doesn't for a lot of reasons. This is the toughest part of the whole process.
>>> 
>>>    The only way to reduce this problem is for more people to step up. This is very tough, because pretty much all of us are overextended anyway, but it's still crucial. We all grow up in a society where just about everything happens because someone gets paid to bottomline it. If we want to create an alternative we need to deprogram ourselves & realize that there ain't no-one else to do it. Many of us are also programmed to feel that we aren't good enough and can't be 'leaders.' This is what we have to transform if sudo room or omni is gonna survive. Unfortunately I can't offer a whole lot myself, but I'll think of something. One thing I've learned is that little things add up.
>>> 
>>>    We need to know ea. other & trust ea. other if we're really going to work together. And we need to believe that our efforts will actually pay off -- that they'll be well received & help create some great experience.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> So I feel like lurking under concerns about the name are questions of organization, of how to ensure a horizontalism not just in name but also in reality, and so it seems like any discussion of renaming the bottom-liner task is also going to have to take a real look at our practices as collectives. Maybe I'm getting a little far afield here, but it seems like pulling on the thread of what to call what we're calling a bottom-liner pulls a lot of other issues with it.
>>> -- Me 2. The term "bottom-liner" has gotten pretty traditional, & I can't think of any great alternatives. "Project Manager?" Gack. We can change the name if we like, but IMO it's more important to talk about what the bottlenecks are & how we can be creative working together so more people feel like getting involved. I'm a newb here so I don't know the issues/specifics, but I've been an activist long enough to know the pattern. We need to hack our mindsets so that we all see a little bit of organizing/bottomlining here & there as part of a fun life.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ed Rippy
>>> 
>>> 
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