[sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] [BAPS-Organizing] Re: Replacing the term "bottom-liner" with..?

[David Keenan]

I'm ok with almost anything so long as the responsibilities such a title
denotes are actually clear those volunteering to take on said role.

As someone else noted, bottomliner implies the one who does not let to-do's
and responsibilities fall through the cracks, an 'if all else fails' sort
of position, which does not seem like overly elevated language to me.

'Point person' seems less preferable for the reasons also provided.

But I am somewhat agnostic, so long as the responsibilities are clear to
all.

David

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Margaretha <
margaretha.anne.haughwout at gmail.com> wrote:

> Response enabler
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 15, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> some more hopefully-less-hierarchical-terms:
>
> * responsibili-buddy
> * point-of-contact
> * liaison
> * ambassador
> * confidant
> * advocate
> * messenger
> * intermediary
> * connection
> * fixer
> * agent
> * emissary
> * promoter
> * producer
>
> Perhaps "producer" is subtly honest, "responsibili-buddy" is most fun to
> pronounce, and "coordinator" is the closest practical analog to the current
> "bottom-liner"?
>
> // Matt
>
> p.s. "Advocate" goes in a totally different direction, maybe worth some
> consideration...
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:06 AM, niki <niki.shelley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't know who you are, Ed Rippy, but I can't wait to meet you IRL!
>>
>> Love these thoughts and hope we can expand on them / work to develop
>> actionable solutions / experiments.
>>
>> <3
>>
>> Niki
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 11:06 PM, Ed Rippy <ed.rippy at mindspring.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 01/11/2015 10:17 PM, Michael Nicoloff wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know on the BAPS side of things there's been on-and-off problems with
>>>> finding enough people to bottom-line classes, and that often the duties of
>>>> bottom-lining have unevenly fallen on a few key people, so that even if the
>>>> name bottom-liner hasn't struck me as a problem, the organizing practice
>>>> has at times felt built on shaky ground. What in theory is a non-coercive,
>>>> equal, from-each-to-each kind of horizontalism becomes not so much that in
>>>> practice, with responsibility (and power) concentrating/burdening a small
>>>> number of folks.
>>>>
>>>
>>> -- This always happens. Democracy is a great ideal, & it wd be even
>>> greater if our fundamental equality as human beans translated into equality
>>> of work output. It doesn't for a lot of reasons. This is the toughest part
>>> of the whole process.
>>>
>>>    The only way to reduce this problem is for more people to step up.
>>> This is very tough, because pretty much all of us are overextended anyway,
>>> but it's still crucial. We all grow up in a society where just about
>>> everything happens because someone gets paid to bottomline it. If we want
>>> to create an alternative we need to deprogram ourselves & realize that
>>> there ain't no-one else to do it. Many of us are also programmed to feel
>>> that we aren't good enough and can't be 'leaders.' This is what we have to
>>> transform if sudo room or omni is gonna survive. Unfortunately I can't
>>> offer a whole lot myself, but I'll think of something. One thing I've
>>> learned is that little things add up.
>>>
>>>    We need to know ea. other & trust ea. other if we're really going to
>>> work together. And we need to believe that our efforts will actually pay
>>> off -- that they'll be well received & help create some great experience.
>>>
>>>
>>>> So I feel like lurking under concerns about the name are questions of
>>>> organization, of how to ensure a horizontalism not just in name but also in
>>>> reality, and so it seems like any discussion of renaming the bottom-liner
>>>> task is also going to have to take a real look at our practices as
>>>> collectives. Maybe I'm getting a little far afield here, but it seems like
>>>> pulling on the thread of what to call what we're calling a bottom-liner
>>>> pulls a lot of other issues with it.
>>>>
>>> -- Me 2. The term "bottom-liner" has gotten pretty traditional, & I
>>> can't think of any great alternatives. "Project Manager?" Gack. We can
>>> change the name if we like, but IMO it's more important to talk about what
>>> the bottlenecks are & how we can be creative working together so more
>>> people feel like getting involved. I'm a newb here so I don't know the
>>> issues/specifics, but I've been an activist long enough to know the
>>> pattern. We need to hack our mindsets so that we all see a little bit of
>>> organizing/bottomlining here & there as part of a fun life.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ed Rippy
>>>
>>>
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