[sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] Proposed Safe Space Ban: Perry

[Soenke]

Sorry for the typos. Migrane.
I wholly agree with Mary.
This entire thread has become entirely unconstructive.
Please, let's abandon ship?

~ Korl

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On Feb 8, 2015, 11:56 AM, at 11:56 AM, Soenke <soenkeveirls at gmail.com> wrote:
>This.
>What.
>Woah.
>
>Seriously, Ryan?
>Why do you think you're entitled to speak to people that way?
>Especially in within the Omni community?
>Why would you for second think that this a forum that would tolerate
>any form of prejudice or bigotry from it's members, when that is
>exactly why we are here... ?
>This just baffles me.
>
>~ Korl
>
>510.671.0824
>500px.com/soenke-v
>
>
>
>On Feb 8, 2015, 11:50 AM, at 11:50 AM, Steve Bloom
><stevebloom55 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>Ryan, why do you think I identify with or consider appropriate as
>>applied
>>to me the term "cis man"?  I don't.  Please don't direct it toward me
>>or
>>use it to refer to me again.  TIA.  Otherwise, my effort to be helpful
>>and
>>constructive having crashed and burned, I'm done with this discussion.
>>
>>-- Steve
>>
>>On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Mary Ward <maryhbw at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The point is that this conversation has become destructive. I do not
>>think
>>> pointing out people in the discuss list if helpful, only hurtful.
>The
>>CDC
>>> list may be a better place for in depth conversations about bans.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Mary
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 8, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> TBC I don't need a cis man telling me how I should proceed after I
>>was
>>> sexually assaulted.
>>>
>>> TBC I don't need a cis man euphemizing a sexual predator's behavior.
>>>
>>> TBC I don't need a cis man "researching" the situation to see if
>>there
>>> were more incidents.
>>>
>>> TBC I don't need a cis man adding to the tone policing in this
>>thread.
>>>
>>> TBC you are mansplaining right now Steve, and that's the last
>fucking
>>> thing I need right now.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Steve Bloom
><stevebloom55 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> TBC, yar, your statement necessarily had implications for what Al
>>said.
>>>> It could have been phrased to not do that even while still
>>expressing
>>>> support for Ryan.  Korl can think it was unconstructive without
>>taking it
>>>> personally.  I don't think the subsequent statement that Korl has
>>something
>>>> to learn here was helpful.
>>>>
>>>> That said, let's not lose track of the fact that Perry has serious
>>>> loss-of-boundary issues when he drinks (which seems to be
>>frequently).  My
>>>> own experience (two experiences actually) is that he doesn't single
>>people
>>>> out for that (I got it too), but it's absolutely the case that the
>>same
>>>> behavior that was non-threatening for me will be very threatening
>>for
>>>> others.  (Something I need to bear in mind going foward; probably I
>>should
>>>> have asked if there have been other such incidents.)
>>>>
>>>> I'm a little murky on the process here.  I mean, this open
>>discussion
>>>> isn't going to be used for some sort of vote, right?
>>>>
>>>> Assuming this from David K. is correct --
>>>>
>>>> "Yes, any member (but not guest) is empowered to temporarily ban -
>>>> pending conflict mediation - anyone else so following a safe space
>>>> violation which is what this is."
>>>>
>>>> -- then it seems that all Ryan has to do is say that Perry is
>>banned,
>>>> following which a conflict mediation process is initiated.  If Ryan
>>didn't
>>>> feel that his and (as related) Ribre's particular experience was
>>sufficient
>>>> and so was asking others, then what Jenny and I added (and David
>K.,
>>>> although he didn't provide details of the incidents) seems like
>more
>>than
>>>> enough.
>>>>
>>>> Returning to Ryan's original comment --
>>>>
>>>> "Regardless, I ask that Perry be banned from the Omni, pending
>>mediation,
>>>> as his actions clearly violate our safe space policy and he refused
>>to take
>>>> action to alter his behaviour."
>>>>
>>>> -- it seems to me that maybe it not being phrased as a statement
>may
>>have
>>>> engendered confusion.  So maybe just do that, Ryan?  TBC,
>apparently
>>you
>>>> don't need to ask anyone, and as noted if what you wanted was
>>corroboration
>>>> you have plenty.
>>>>
>>>> As for the policy discussion, if Al or anyone wants to pursue that
>I
>>>> suggest they do it in a different thread.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to all.
>>>>
>>>> -- Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 8:12 AM, yar <yardenack at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 1:06 AM, Soenke <soenkeveirls at gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>>>> > Ok.
>>>>> > For the record...
>>>>> > If this is how you all are going to conduct ourselves, and treat
>>each
>>>>> other,
>>>>> > I don't really want to be a part of it anymore.
>>>>> > This is absurd.
>>>>> > I thought we were trying to be better people here.
>>>>> > But I suppose I was wrong.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Extremely sarcastically, I apologize for speaking up.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Have a good weekend everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Korl, with nothing but respect, I was just trying to express
>>>>> solidarity with Ryan without making it about you. To me this is
>>about
>>>>> having a safe space where people aren't assaulted or misgendered.
>>>>> There is nothing personal against you here. I hope you can learn
>to
>>>>> see that.
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