[sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] Proposed Safe Space Ban: Perry

[Soenke]

This.
What.
Woah.

Seriously, Ryan?
Why do you think you're entitled to speak to people that way?
Especially in within the Omni community?
Why would you for second think that this a forum that would tolerate any form of prejudice or bigotry from it's members, when that is exactly why we are here... ?
This just baffles me.

~ Korl

510.671.0824
500px.com/soenke-v



On Feb 8, 2015, 11:50 AM, at 11:50 AM, Steve Bloom <stevebloom55 at gmail.com> wrote:
>Ryan, why do you think I identify with or consider appropriate as
>applied
>to me the term "cis man"?  I don't.  Please don't direct it toward me
>or
>use it to refer to me again.  TIA.  Otherwise, my effort to be helpful
>and
>constructive having crashed and burned, I'm done with this discussion.
>
>-- Steve
>
>On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Mary Ward <maryhbw at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The point is that this conversation has become destructive. I do not
>think
>> pointing out people in the discuss list if helpful, only hurtful. The
>CDC
>> list may be a better place for in depth conversations about bans.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Mary
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> TBC I don't need a cis man telling me how I should proceed after I
>was
>> sexually assaulted.
>>
>> TBC I don't need a cis man euphemizing a sexual predator's behavior.
>>
>> TBC I don't need a cis man "researching" the situation to see if
>there
>> were more incidents.
>>
>> TBC I don't need a cis man adding to the tone policing in this
>thread.
>>
>> TBC you are mansplaining right now Steve, and that's the last fucking
>> thing I need right now.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Steve Bloom <stevebloom55 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> TBC, yar, your statement necessarily had implications for what Al
>said.
>>> It could have been phrased to not do that even while still
>expressing
>>> support for Ryan.  Korl can think it was unconstructive without
>taking it
>>> personally.  I don't think the subsequent statement that Korl has
>something
>>> to learn here was helpful.
>>>
>>> That said, let's not lose track of the fact that Perry has serious
>>> loss-of-boundary issues when he drinks (which seems to be
>frequently).  My
>>> own experience (two experiences actually) is that he doesn't single
>people
>>> out for that (I got it too), but it's absolutely the case that the
>same
>>> behavior that was non-threatening for me will be very threatening
>for
>>> others.  (Something I need to bear in mind going foward; probably I
>should
>>> have asked if there have been other such incidents.)
>>>
>>> I'm a little murky on the process here.  I mean, this open
>discussion
>>> isn't going to be used for some sort of vote, right?
>>>
>>> Assuming this from David K. is correct --
>>>
>>> "Yes, any member (but not guest) is empowered to temporarily ban -
>>> pending conflict mediation - anyone else so following a safe space
>>> violation which is what this is."
>>>
>>> -- then it seems that all Ryan has to do is say that Perry is
>banned,
>>> following which a conflict mediation process is initiated.  If Ryan
>didn't
>>> feel that his and (as related) Ribre's particular experience was
>sufficient
>>> and so was asking others, then what Jenny and I added (and David K.,
>>> although he didn't provide details of the incidents) seems like more
>than
>>> enough.
>>>
>>> Returning to Ryan's original comment --
>>>
>>> "Regardless, I ask that Perry be banned from the Omni, pending
>mediation,
>>> as his actions clearly violate our safe space policy and he refused
>to take
>>> action to alter his behaviour."
>>>
>>> -- it seems to me that maybe it not being phrased as a statement may
>have
>>> engendered confusion.  So maybe just do that, Ryan?  TBC, apparently
>you
>>> don't need to ask anyone, and as noted if what you wanted was
>corroboration
>>> you have plenty.
>>>
>>> As for the policy discussion, if Al or anyone wants to pursue that I
>>> suggest they do it in a different thread.
>>>
>>> Thanks to all.
>>>
>>> -- Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 8:12 AM, yar <yardenack at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 1:06 AM, Soenke <soenkeveirls at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>>> > Ok.
>>>> > For the record...
>>>> > If this is how you all are going to conduct ourselves, and treat
>each
>>>> other,
>>>> > I don't really want to be a part of it anymore.
>>>> > This is absurd.
>>>> > I thought we were trying to be better people here.
>>>> > But I suppose I was wrong.
>>>> >
>>>> > Extremely sarcastically, I apologize for speaking up.
>>>> >
>>>> > Have a good weekend everyone.
>>>>
>>>> Hey Korl, with nothing but respect, I was just trying to express
>>>> solidarity with Ryan without making it about you. To me this is
>about
>>>> having a safe space where people aren't assaulted or misgendered.
>>>> There is nothing personal against you here. I hope you can learn to
>>>> see that.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> discuss mailing list
>>>> discuss at lists.omnicommons.org
>>>> https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>>> sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org
>>> https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> discuss mailing list
>> discuss at lists.omnicommons.org
>> https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss
>>
>>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20150208/ccd0fc98/attachment.html>