[sudo-discuss] Elevator Upgrade

Tue Jan 7 12:46:03 PST 2014

With no response - if you see George this afternoon could you try asking
in-person? I'll press Laurie on it.

Solidarity!
/jnny
On Jan 7, 2014 12:16 PM, "Matthew Senate" <mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:

> Apparently Jenny did send such a request to George and we await a reply.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> Hmm, we definitely got the increase, I expected ya'll would too, but do
>> not know. It is in our contract and is not very much (~inflation) so in my
>> opinion no harm no foul.
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> I understand where everyone is coming from. I just don't have much faith
>> in line-drawing at this point. Believe me, I am generally an incredibly
>> principled person--almost to a fault. However, in this instance, I would
>> rather practice caution and savvy over a confrontation given all the energy
>> I and others have spent to smooth over our current relations.
>>
>> For instance, whenever I can, I clean the elevator and bathrooms, as well
>> as take out all the trash. I am constantly addressing folks about their use
>> of the common space (usually to inform them that something indeed,
>> surprisingly, yes, must be cleaned and not left messy, especially because
>> this space is common to other folks and tenants), ensuring it stays closer
>> to the landlords' standards (which it barely barely does some of the time).
>> I clean the kitchenette including others' dishes, vacuum, remove
>> unnecessary furniture items, move materials back into sudo room,  and
>> others do similar things as well. This is an investment in the very basic
>> agreement that the main space remain common, shared with others, that
>> ultimately builds report and trust with the landlords.
>>
>> So, from my point of view, I see this situation as "Do we want the
>> elevator fixed or not?" and essentially I lean more toward negotiate and
>> get it fixed. Otherwise, I think we'd expect a much longer, more
>> complicated affair with little resolution.
>>
>> That's just my opinion **shrugs**
>>
>> This is consistent with asking for a written notice e.g.:  "George, can
>> you send us a written notice over email about the elevator, including a
>> quote and what you need from the sudo room?" then talk about our options.
>>
>> // Matt
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:36 AM, David Keenan <dkeenan44 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Melissa tells me BAPS did not in fact get a rent increase.
>>>
>>> Matt, can you confirm this is also true on your end?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 6, 2014, Chris Bee wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, sure, we all want a safer elevator...but at the expense of George
>>>> running roughshod over any semblance of normal landlord/tenant relations?
>>>>
>>>> If the bargaining chip involved George voluntarily attending anger
>>>> management classes and acting on the concerns of his tenants in the future
>>>> in a responsible and rational manner, I'd probably give it a pass....but
>>>> whenever someone lets him get away with shady/illogical shit, in my mind
>>>> it's the same as tacit approval.
>>>>
>>>> I don't want to troll or be the devil's advocate but I agree with
>>>> yar...if he wants it that bad, let's put it in writing then take it from
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> -chrisbee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That being said, I appreciate taking William's assessment into
>>>> consideration, especially given he is also a tenant.
>>>>
>>>> Further, thinking tactically, do we want the elevator to be safer and
>>>> break down less regularly? Perhaps we could negotiate. This is an option.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think this has gone far enough.  I like yar's idea to get his request
>>>> in writing, and respond negative very clearly in writing.
>>>>
>>>> I volunteer to participate in any face to face discussions with our
>>>> landlords if needed - we need to address all such unacceptable proposals
>>>> squarely.
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jan 4, 2014 03:36:42 PM, hotelcompany at gmail.com wrote:
>>>> The (not so) funny thing is that this request comes on the heels of a
>>>> rent hike.
>>>> >
>>>> >If I were the one being asked, what I would say would be "Sorry, not
>>>> my building, not my problem, good luck." What I would WANT to say is
>>>> "Unless you agree that I can take the parts out of the elevator that I'm
>>>> paying for with me when I move out- or, better yet, be reimbursed for them-
>>>> I would sooner free climb the outside wall with my bike in my teeth in a
>>>> hailstorm before covering your ends."
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >There's something about this guy that brings out the troll in me. Not
>>>> that I would ever act on it but...it's like, you're A FUCKING LANDLORD,
>>>> behave like one. A few years back I had a bad run-in extremely
>>>> sketchy/irrational landlord who was sort of like the female version of
>>>> George, so maybe it's PTSD. Who knows.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >BTW, I'm sure everyone here realizes that what I'm saying is (mostly)
>>>> in levity....I would love to straighten the guy out personally, but I don't
>>>> see what purpose it would serve other than giving him a real reason to yell
>>>> at somebody and we obviously don't want that.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >-chrisbee
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 11:06 AM, David Keenan dkeenan44 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >I've given it some thought and can definitely understand the
>>>> inclination to help George out in the interest of improving our relations,
>>>> but it's just that, in my own experience doing that - buying goodwill with
>>>> George with cash, or favors large and small i.e. free labor - doesn't
>>>> actually work..he just forgets basically, or takes it for granted totally,
>>>> i.e. comes to expect it, and in a week he will be again yelling at one of
>>>> us about anything thats on his mind, or dragging garbage all over the
>>>> space, and continuing to use our trash service for the entire building,
>>>> and unilaterally shutting off the AC which we cant turn back on unless he
>>>> accidentally leaves the roof access open...and basically you know, doing
>>>> whatever the hell he wants regardless of how it affects us. This is a guy
>>>> who regularly yells at me or hangs up on me while i am in the very act of
>>>> helping him. Laurie is not the greatest but she is not like that, and I
>>>> would kick down if it was just her running the building. But it's George's
>>>> building, and his general inclination seems to be to treat his
>>>> tenants poorly, and this goes for every tenant in the building (Ive talked
>>>> with all of them), not just BAPS/Sudo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >I think we should tell him our combined discretionary funds have
>>>> already been allotted to the rent increase.
>>>> >best,david
>>>>
>>>> >On Saturday, January 4, 2014, niki  wrote:
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >I second that emotion.
>>>> >Niki
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Chris Bee hotelcompany at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >So in addition to the rent, utilities and the myriad odd jobs - on
>>>> second thought, let's call them "favors" since the word "job" usually
>>>> implies compensation- he now expects sudo/BAPS to cover the overhead costs
>>>> on HIS building? The man has no shame.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >I know! Tell him that since the 3% rent increase will add up to around
>>>> $500 by the end of the year, he
>>>>
>>>>
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