[sudo-discuss] Elevator Upgrade

Tue Jan 7 12:15:35 PST 2014

Apparently Jenny did send such a request to George and we await a reply.

On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>wrote:

> David,
>
> Hmm, we definitely got the increase, I expected ya'll would too, but do
> not know. It is in our contract and is not very much (~inflation) so in my
> opinion no harm no foul.
>
> Chris,
>
> I understand where everyone is coming from. I just don't have much faith
> in line-drawing at this point. Believe me, I am generally an incredibly
> principled person--almost to a fault. However, in this instance, I would
> rather practice caution and savvy over a confrontation given all the energy
> I and others have spent to smooth over our current relations.
>
> For instance, whenever I can, I clean the elevator and bathrooms, as well
> as take out all the trash. I am constantly addressing folks about their use
> of the common space (usually to inform them that something indeed,
> surprisingly, yes, must be cleaned and not left messy, especially because
> this space is common to other folks and tenants), ensuring it stays closer
> to the landlords' standards (which it barely barely does some of the time).
> I clean the kitchenette including others' dishes, vacuum, remove
> unnecessary furniture items, move materials back into sudo room,  and
> others do similar things as well. This is an investment in the very basic
> agreement that the main space remain common, shared with others, that
> ultimately builds report and trust with the landlords.
>
> So, from my point of view, I see this situation as "Do we want the
> elevator fixed or not?" and essentially I lean more toward negotiate and
> get it fixed. Otherwise, I think we'd expect a much longer, more
> complicated affair with little resolution.
>
> That's just my opinion **shrugs**
>
> This is consistent with asking for a written notice e.g.:  "George, can
> you send us a written notice over email about the elevator, including a
> quote and what you need from the sudo room?" then talk about our options.
>
> // Matt
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:36 AM, David Keenan <dkeenan44 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Melissa tells me BAPS did not in fact get a rent increase.
>>
>> Matt, can you confirm this is also true on your end?
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 6, 2014, Chris Bee wrote:
>>
>>> Well, sure, we all want a safer elevator...but at the expense of George
>>> running roughshod over any semblance of normal landlord/tenant relations?
>>>
>>> If the bargaining chip involved George voluntarily attending anger
>>> management classes and acting on the concerns of his tenants in the future
>>> in a responsible and rational manner, I'd probably give it a pass....but
>>> whenever someone lets him get away with shady/illogical shit, in my mind
>>> it's the same as tacit approval.
>>>
>>> I don't want to troll or be the devil's advocate but I agree with
>>> yar...if he wants it that bad, let's put it in writing then take it from
>>> there.
>>>
>>> -chrisbee
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> That being said, I appreciate taking William's assessment into
>>> consideration, especially given he is also a tenant.
>>>
>>> Further, thinking tactically, do we want the elevator to be safer and
>>> break down less regularly? Perhaps we could negotiate. This is an option.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think this has gone far enough.  I like yar's idea to get his request
>>> in writing, and respond negative very clearly in writing.
>>>
>>> I volunteer to participate in any face to face discussions with our
>>> landlords if needed - we need to address all such unacceptable proposals
>>> squarely.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>>
>>> Jan 4, 2014 03:36:42 PM, hotelcompany at gmail.com wrote:
>>> The (not so) funny thing is that this request comes on the heels of a
>>> rent hike.
>>> >
>>> >If I were the one being asked, what I would say would be "Sorry, not my
>>> building, not my problem, good luck." What I would WANT to say is "Unless
>>> you agree that I can take the parts out of the elevator that I'm paying for
>>> with me when I move out- or, better yet, be reimbursed for them- I would
>>> sooner free climb the outside wall with my bike in my teeth in a hailstorm
>>> before covering your ends."
>>> >
>>>
>>> >There's something about this guy that brings out the troll in me. Not
>>> that I would ever act on it but...it's like, you're A FUCKING LANDLORD,
>>> behave like one. A few years back I had a bad run-in extremely
>>> sketchy/irrational landlord who was sort of like the female version of
>>> George, so maybe it's PTSD. Who knows.
>>> >
>>>
>>> >BTW, I'm sure everyone here realizes that what I'm saying is (mostly)
>>> in levity....I would love to straighten the guy out personally, but I don't
>>> see what purpose it would serve other than giving him a real reason to yell
>>> at somebody and we obviously don't want that.
>>> >
>>>
>>> >-chrisbee
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 11:06 AM, David Keenan dkeenan44 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>>
>>> >I've given it some thought and can definitely understand the
>>> inclination to help George out in the interest of improving our relations,
>>> but it's just that, in my own experience doing that - buying goodwill with
>>> George with cash, or favors large and small i.e. free labor - doesn't
>>> actually work..he just forgets basically, or takes it for granted totally,
>>> i.e. comes to expect it, and in a week he will be again yelling at one of
>>> us about anything thats on his mind, or dragging garbage all over the
>>> space, and continuing to use our trash service for the entire building,
>>> and unilaterally shutting off the AC which we cant turn back on unless he
>>> accidentally leaves the roof access open...and basically you know, doing
>>> whatever the hell he wants regardless of how it affects us. This is a guy
>>> who regularly yells at me or hangs up on me while i am in the very act of
>>> helping him. Laurie is not the greatest but she is not like that, and I
>>> would kick down if it was just her running the building. But it's George's
>>> building, and his general inclination seems to be to treat his
>>> tenants poorly, and this goes for every tenant in the building (Ive talked
>>> with all of them), not just BAPS/Sudo.
>>>
>>>
>>> >I think we should tell him our combined discretionary funds have
>>> already been allotted to the rent increase.
>>> >best,david
>>>
>>> >On Saturday, January 4, 2014, niki  wrote:
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>> >I second that emotion.
>>> >Niki
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Chris Bee hotelcompany at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> >So in addition to the rent, utilities and the myriad odd jobs - on
>>> second thought, let's call them "favors" since the word "job" usually
>>> implies compensation- he now expects sudo/BAPS to cover the overhead costs
>>> on HIS building? The man has no shame.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >I know! Tell him that since the 3% rent increase will add up to around
>>> $500 by the end of the year, he
>>>
>>>
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