[sudo-discuss] Elevator Upgrade

Tue Jan 7 12:10:24 PST 2014

David,

Hmm, we definitely got the increase, I expected ya'll would too, but do not
know. It is in our contract and is not very much (~inflation) so in my
opinion no harm no foul.

Chris,

I understand where everyone is coming from. I just don't have much faith in
line-drawing at this point. Believe me, I am generally an incredibly
principled person--almost to a fault. However, in this instance, I would
rather practice caution and savvy over a confrontation given all the energy
I and others have spent to smooth over our current relations.

For instance, whenever I can, I clean the elevator and bathrooms, as well
as take out all the trash. I am constantly addressing folks about their use
of the common space (usually to inform them that something indeed,
surprisingly, yes, must be cleaned and not left messy, especially because
this space is common to other folks and tenants), ensuring it stays closer
to the landlords' standards (which it barely barely does some of the time).
I clean the kitchenette including others' dishes, vacuum, remove
unnecessary furniture items, move materials back into sudo room,  and
others do similar things as well. This is an investment in the very basic
agreement that the main space remain common, shared with others, that
ultimately builds report and trust with the landlords.

So, from my point of view, I see this situation as "Do we want the elevator
fixed or not?" and essentially I lean more toward negotiate and get it
fixed. Otherwise, I think we'd expect a much longer, more complicated
affair with little resolution.

That's just my opinion **shrugs**

This is consistent with asking for a written notice e.g.:  "George, can you
send us a written notice over email about the elevator, including a quote
and what you need from the sudo room?" then talk about our options.

// Matt

On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:36 AM, David Keenan <dkeenan44 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Melissa tells me BAPS did not in fact get a rent increase.
>
> Matt, can you confirm this is also true on your end?
>
>
> On Monday, January 6, 2014, Chris Bee wrote:
>
>> Well, sure, we all want a safer elevator...but at the expense of George
>> running roughshod over any semblance of normal landlord/tenant relations?
>>
>> If the bargaining chip involved George voluntarily attending anger
>> management classes and acting on the concerns of his tenants in the future
>> in a responsible and rational manner, I'd probably give it a pass....but
>> whenever someone lets him get away with shady/illogical shit, in my mind
>> it's the same as tacit approval.
>>
>> I don't want to troll or be the devil's advocate but I agree with
>> yar...if he wants it that bad, let's put it in writing then take it from
>> there.
>>
>> -chrisbee
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> That being said, I appreciate taking William's assessment into
>> consideration, especially given he is also a tenant.
>>
>> Further, thinking tactically, do we want the elevator to be safer and
>> break down less regularly? Perhaps we could negotiate. This is an option.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think this has gone far enough.  I like yar's idea to get his request
>> in writing, and respond negative very clearly in writing.
>>
>> I volunteer to participate in any face to face discussions with our
>> landlords if needed - we need to address all such unacceptable proposals
>> squarely.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>>
>> Jan 4, 2014 03:36:42 PM, hotelcompany at gmail.com wrote:
>> The (not so) funny thing is that this request comes on the heels of a
>> rent hike.
>> >
>> >If I were the one being asked, what I would say would be "Sorry, not my
>> building, not my problem, good luck." What I would WANT to say is "Unless
>> you agree that I can take the parts out of the elevator that I'm paying for
>> with me when I move out- or, better yet, be reimbursed for them- I would
>> sooner free climb the outside wall with my bike in my teeth in a hailstorm
>> before covering your ends."
>> >
>>
>> >There's something about this guy that brings out the troll in me. Not
>> that I would ever act on it but...it's like, you're A FUCKING LANDLORD,
>> behave like one. A few years back I had a bad run-in extremely
>> sketchy/irrational landlord who was sort of like the female version of
>> George, so maybe it's PTSD. Who knows.
>> >
>>
>> >BTW, I'm sure everyone here realizes that what I'm saying is (mostly) in
>> levity....I would love to straighten the guy out personally, but I don't
>> see what purpose it would serve other than giving him a real reason to yell
>> at somebody and we obviously don't want that.
>> >
>>
>> >-chrisbee
>> >
>> >
>> >On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 11:06 AM, David Keenan dkeenan44 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>>
>> >I've given it some thought and can definitely understand the inclination
>> to help George out in the interest of improving our relations, but it's
>> just that, in my own experience doing that - buying goodwill with
>> George with cash, or favors large and small i.e. free labor - doesn't
>> actually work..he just forgets basically, or takes it for granted totally,
>> i.e. comes to expect it, and in a week he will be again yelling at one of
>> us about anything thats on his mind, or dragging garbage all over the
>> space, and continuing to use our trash service for the entire building,
>> and unilaterally shutting off the AC which we cant turn back on unless he
>> accidentally leaves the roof access open...and basically you know, doing
>> whatever the hell he wants regardless of how it affects us. This is a guy
>> who regularly yells at me or hangs up on me while i am in the very act of
>> helping him. Laurie is not the greatest but she is not like that, and I
>> would kick down if it was just her running the building. But it's George's
>> building, and his general inclination seems to be to treat his
>> tenants poorly, and this goes for every tenant in the building (Ive talked
>> with all of them), not just BAPS/Sudo.
>>
>>
>> >I think we should tell him our combined discretionary funds have already
>> been allotted to the rent increase.
>> >best,david
>>
>> >On Saturday, January 4, 2014, niki  wrote:
>> >
>>
>> >
>> >I second that emotion.
>> >Niki
>>
>>
>> >
>> >On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Chris Bee hotelcompany at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>>
>>
>> >So in addition to the rent, utilities and the myriad odd jobs - on
>> second thought, let's call them "favors" since the word "job" usually
>> implies compensation- he now expects sudo/BAPS to cover the overhead costs
>> on HIS building? The man has no shame.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >I know! Tell him that since the 3% rent increase will add up to around
>> $500 by the end of the year, he
>>
>>
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