[sudo-discuss] my experiences with "crime" in oakland [part 1 of ?]

[Jeremy Entwistle]

As a warning, unless you're working on a project regarding 
race/sex/gender, then I wouldn't discuss it here. In other activist 
spaces, these discussions were used as a tool (by groups unknown to me) 
to label the space as racist or sexist. If you're using any physical 
characteristics to describe something negative about a person, then I'm 
going to take offense to it. If you have a problem with something, use 
the name of that person specifically for that particular instance. 
Otherwise, you're using labels with no purpose except to associate 
negative ideas about a race, sex, or gender.

Jeremy

On 2013-11-19 14:11, Hol Gaskill wrote:
> I hope no one is forming opinions on the whole of sudo room based on
> communications originating from specific people.  If you look back on
> the archives, I think there are many personalities that are vocal on
> the sudo-discuss list - this does not translate into cultural
> influence, nor should it be construed as representative of the values
> anyone other than the person behind their own keyboard.  I for one do
> not consider anyone a representative of my race, culture, social
> group, profession, or family and it is unfortunate that we have
> repeated probings asking for the same from a sudoer on the basis of
> race-based perspective.  Anyways, I hope no one is confusing post
> volume on the list discussion with representation of sudo room values
> 
> cheers,
> Hol
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> Nov 19, 2013 02:00:31 PM, david at vergegraphics.com wrote:
> Thank you Rhodey - I appreciate the assist.
>> 
>> So I guess that this is the famous "call-out culture" of Sudoroom in 
>> effect? 
>> 
>> Sonja, I'll try to find some time to reply to this entire thread in a 
>> bit (gainfully employed - none of that government money for me, thank 
>> you). 
>> 
> 
> 
>> I AM a black person, but I am most unfortunately not a statistician 
>> nor a sociologist, nor have I conducted any studies - formal or 
>> informal - on the correlation between property crime and race.  If 
>> you're genuinely curious about the data and not just making some ... 
>> point, there's always Google.  Or DuckDuckGo.  Whatever.  
> 
> 
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>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:40 PM, rhodey rhodey at anhonesteffort.org> 
>> wrote:
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> 
>> Sonja,
>> 
> 
>> 
> If your question was not answered the first time please consider that
>> 
> the people may not want to answer. No one should be pressured into
>> 
> participating in a conversation, I for one am removing myself from 
> whats
>> 
> become of this. If anyone would still like to contact me about any of
>> 
> the content I have put forth within this thread I ask that you please 
> do
>> 
> so in person or in an off-list email.
>> 
> 
>> 
> --
>> 
> -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
>> 
> 
>> 
> On 11/19/2013 01:03 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:
>> 
>> I still want to know whether David has any info/ insights on the
>> 
>> relative vulnerability to mugging of white v black men. Or if anyone 
>> on
>> 
>> here has any notion for vulnerability based on race.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> For me, I notice that walking around with a white man generates more
>> 
>> threatening comments than if I was walking alone. That and also what
>> 
>> reports from white men about being mugged and held up leads me to
>> 
>> believe I would be more vulnerable to being mugged if I was a boy.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Are there any black girls on the list that have a similar set of
>> 
>> anecdotal datas?  or black men walking alone v. walking w white men?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I can't tell if there is no personal data, or what. Rhodey gave some. 
>> It
>> 
>> confirmed the other data I had. Any more either way?
>> 
>> 
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>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Chris Bee hotelcompany at gmail.com
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>> hotelcompany at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>     I don't mind discussing this topic as long as it's constructive 
>> and
>> 
>>     keeps the finger pointing to a minimum.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>     Unfortunately there's plenty of shitty people out there...or as my
>> 
>>     mom used to say, "asshole is a rainbow word." Honest and frank
>> 
>>     discussion about assholes is not a bad thing...categorizing or
>> 
>>     generalizing those assholes based on appearance or other factors 
>> is
>> 
>>     iffy and something I try to avoid.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>     -chrisbee
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