[sudo-discuss] my experiences with "crime" in oakland [part 1 of ?]

[Hol Gaskill]

I hope no one is forming opinions on the whole of sudo room based on communications originating from specific people.  If you look back on the archives, I think there are many personalities that are vocal on the sudo-discuss list - this does not translate into cultural influence, nor should it be construed as representative of the values anyone other than the person behind their own keyboard.  I for one do not consider anyone a representative of my race, culture, social group, profession, or family and it is unfortunate that we have repeated probings asking for the same from a sudoer on the basis of race-based perspective.  Anyways, I hope no one is confusing post volume on the list discussion with representation of sudo room values

cheers,
Hol


Nov 19, 2013 02:00:31 PM, david at vergegraphics.com wrote:
Thank you Rhodey - I appreciate the assist.
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>So I guess that this is the famous "call-out culture" of Sudoroom in effect?  
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>Sonja, I'll try to find some time to reply to this entire thread in a bit (gainfully employed - none of that government money for me, thank you).  
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>I AM a black person, but I am most unfortunately not a statistician nor a sociologist, nor have I conducted any studies - formal or informal - on the correlation between property crime and race.  If you're genuinely curious about the data and not just making some ... point, there's always Google.  Or DuckDuckGo.  Whatever.   


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>On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:40 PM, rhodey rhodey at anhonesteffort.org> wrote:
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>Sonja,
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If your question was not answered the first time please consider that
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the people may not want to answer. No one should be pressured into
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participating in a conversation, I for one am removing myself from whats
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become of this. If anyone would still like to contact me about any of
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the content I have put forth within this thread I ask that you please do
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so in person or in an off-list email.
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--
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-- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
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On 11/19/2013 01:03 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:
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> I still want to know whether David has any info/ insights on the
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> relative vulnerability to mugging of white v black men. Or if anyone on
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> here has any notion for vulnerability based on race.
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> For me, I notice that walking around with a white man generates more
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> threatening comments than if I was walking alone. That and also what
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> reports from white men about being mugged and held up leads me to
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> believe I would be more vulnerable to being mugged if I was a boy.
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> Are there any black girls on the list that have a similar set of
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> anecdotal datas?  or black men walking alone v. walking w white men?
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> I can't tell if there is no personal data, or what. Rhodey gave some. It
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> confirmed the other data I had. Any more either way?
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> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Chris Bee hotelcompany at gmail.com
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> hotelcompany at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>     I don't mind discussing this topic as long as it's constructive and
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>     keeps the finger pointing to a minimum.
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>     Unfortunately there's plenty of shitty people out there...or as my
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>     mom used to say, "asshole is a rainbow word." Honest and frank
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>     discussion about assholes is not a bad thing...categorizing or
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>     generalizing those assholes based on appearance or other factors is
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>     iffy and something I try to avoid.
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>     -chrisbee
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