[sudo-discuss] my experiences with "crime" in oakland [part 1 of ?]

Chris Bee hotelcompany at gmail.com
Tue Nov 19 14:49:34 PST 2013 

I don't think rhodey was trying to stir up controversy, he asked a valid
question and I think I answered it to the best of my ability. If I offended
anyone I apologize, but I don't see how I could have (assuming you're not
an asshole).

And...on that note I feel like I've shared everything I need to share here.

-chrisbee


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Jeremy Entwistle <jwentwistle at cryptolab.net
> wrote:

> As a warning, unless you're working on a project regarding
> race/sex/gender, then I wouldn't discuss it here. In other activist spaces,
> these discussions were used as a tool (by groups unknown to me) to label
> the space as racist or sexist. If you're using any physical characteristics
> to describe something negative about a person, then I'm going to take
> offense to it. If you have a problem with something, use the name of that
> person specifically for that particular instance. Otherwise, you're using
> labels with no purpose except to associate negative ideas about a race,
> sex, or gender.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> On 2013-11-19 14:11, Hol Gaskill wrote:
>
>> I hope no one is forming opinions on the whole of sudo room based on
>> communications originating from specific people.  If you look back on
>> the archives, I think there are many personalities that are vocal on
>> the sudo-discuss list - this does not translate into cultural
>> influence, nor should it be construed as representative of the values
>> anyone other than the person behind their own keyboard.  I for one do
>> not consider anyone a representative of my race, culture, social
>> group, profession, or family and it is unfortunate that we have
>> repeated probings asking for the same from a sudoer on the basis of
>> race-based perspective.  Anyways, I hope no one is confusing post
>> volume on the list discussion with representation of sudo room values
>>
>> cheers,
>> Hol
>>
>>
>> Nov 19, 2013 02:00:31 PM, david at vergegraphics.com wrote:
>> Thank you Rhodey - I appreciate the assist.
>>
>>>
>>> So I guess that this is the famous "call-out culture" of Sudoroom in
>>> effect?
>>>
>>> Sonja, I'll try to find some time to reply to this entire thread in a
>>> bit (gainfully employed - none of that government money for me, thank you).
>>>
>>>
>>
>>  I AM a black person, but I am most unfortunately not a statistician nor
>>> a sociologist, nor have I conducted any studies - formal or informal - on
>>> the correlation between property crime and race.  If you're genuinely
>>> curious about the data and not just making some ... point, there's always
>>> Google.  Or DuckDuckGo.  Whatever.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:40 PM, rhodey rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>
>>  Sonja,
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>  If your question was not answered the first time please consider that
>>
>>>
>>>  the people may not want to answer. No one should be pressured into
>>
>>>
>>>  participating in a conversation, I for one am removing myself from whats
>>
>>>
>>>  become of this. If anyone would still like to contact me about any of
>>
>>>
>>>  the content I have put forth within this thread I ask that you please do
>>
>>>
>>>  so in person or in an off-list email.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>  --
>>
>>>
>>>  -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>  On 11/19/2013 01:03 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I still want to know whether David has any info/ insights on the
>>>
>>> relative vulnerability to mugging of white v black men. Or if anyone on
>>>
>>> here has any notion for vulnerability based on race.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For me, I notice that walking around with a white man generates more
>>>
>>> threatening comments than if I was walking alone. That and also what
>>>
>>> reports from white men about being mugged and held up leads me to
>>>
>>> believe I would be more vulnerable to being mugged if I was a boy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are there any black girls on the list that have a similar set of
>>>
>>> anecdotal datas?  or black men walking alone v. walking w white men?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can't tell if there is no personal data, or what. Rhodey gave some. It
>>>
>>> confirmed the other data I had. Any more either way?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Chris Bee hotelcompany at gmail.com
>>>
>>> hotelcompany at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     I don't mind discussing this topic as long as it's constructive and
>>>
>>>     keeps the finger pointing to a minimum.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Unfortunately there's plenty of shitty people out there...or as my
>>>
>>>     mom used to say, "asshole is a rainbow word." Honest and frank
>>>
>>>     discussion about assholes is not a bad thing...categorizing or
>>>
>>>     generalizing those assholes based on appearance or other factors is
>>>
>>>     iffy and something I try to avoid.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -chrisbee
>>>
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