[sudo-discuss] revolutionaries and the creation of new language
GtwoG PublicOhOne
g2g-public01 at att.net
Thu May 9 11:31:34 PDT 2013
YOs-
Here's another one for "lawn," that I frequently use: "high-maintenance
non-food crop."
And two I use that aren't exactly popular around here, but none the less:
smartphone: "personal surveillance device."
Google and Gmail: "surveillance feed" or "SIGINT collector."
Though, I'd differ about "persuade" vs. "allow." Persuasion respects
another person's right to not be persuaded and say No, and very often we
do try to persuade each other of various things, while also respecting
each others' rights to be not-persuaded. Contrast to coercion,
imposition, and so on. "Allow" carries an echo of "not-allow," which is
different to "not-persuade," in that not-persuading someone of something
allows their disagreement to stand, but not-allowing something doesn't.
Also it might also be used in an approximately Orwellian way along the
lines of "I allowed so-and-so to agree with me, but s/he wouldn't, so
s/he's obviously stuck in his/her ways..."
More later, gotta scoot...
-G.
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On 13-05-09-Thu 11:09 AM, Hol Gaskill wrote:
> right on. the free flow of information these days is really helping with this process. people are documenting and sharing so much - an incalculable volume of garbage but also a huge volume of really good info and ideas that people are freely adopting - as long as people exercise a little bit of critical thinking before adopting and/or reposting to the hive, the collective filter mechanism to reject dishonest language and harmful behaviors from their cultural sphere of influence and promote the positive is getting stronger on the daily.
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> cheers
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> May 9, 2013 04:17:23 AM, alcides888 at gmail.com wrote:
> I'd like to re-enter "allow" vs. the "persuade." I believe philosophies should not be forced upon people. Instead, I think its more awesome to invite someone into your home and see how you live vs. urging lifestyles onto others. Your guests can adopt what they want. This may increase the chance of failure, but may also increase the chance of free will for whatever audience. I believe thats a good thing.
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> I dont think working to change language, protocols, or social structures is a bad idea -IF- the developers are mindful to 'allow' people to adopt what they want and not 'persuade' people to follow their lead.
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> Alcides Gutierrez
> http://e64.us
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> On May 9, 2013 12:52 AM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" g2g-public01 at att.net> wrote:
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> Romy, Yos-
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> Good example. Also an example of what happens when power is wielded
> without checks & balances, by people who are so enamored of a
> theory that it obscures the real world.
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> The Khmer Rough also routinely slaughtered or interned &
> tortured anyone found wearing glasses, because they believed that
> glasses were a sign of an attempt to assert status by the
> intellectual and technical classes. But the fact is that by middle
> age, almost all men and probably at least a majority of women
> require the use of glasses to read and perform other short-distance
> visual tasks. That inconvenient fact didn't get in the way of the
> Khmer Rouge's theory.
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> Everyone reading this email is a member of the "intellectual and
> technical class," even if a large plurality of us are living on
> working class income or less. And the vast majority of us are going
> to live long enough to need glasses. Fortunately none of us has the
> power to compel any of us to use words a certain way, even though we
> can & do argue (as peers) about that.
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> -G.
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> On 13-05-08-Wed 10:21 PM, Romy Ilano
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> There is a yin and a yang to everything.
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> Here are a few examples of the "dark side" of
> reshaping language...
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> I've read a lot of history about the Chinese Cultural
> Revolution and the Cambodian Khmer Rouge... these groups
> were very interested in reforming a corrupt society, finding
> new ways of doing things. They are not shining examples but
> I can say that their intentions started out pure.
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge_rule_of_Cambodia#Establishing_the_Constitution_of_Democratic_Kampuchea
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> the surface, society in Democratic Kampuchea was strictly egalitarian.
> The Khmer
> language, like many in Southeast Asia, has a complex
> system of usages to define speakers' rank and social
> status. These usages were abandoned. People were
> encouraged to call each other "friend", or "comrade" (in
> Khmer, មិត្ដ mitt), and to avoid traditional signs of
> deference such as bowing or folding the hands in
> salutation.
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> Language
> was transformed in other ways. The Khmer Rouge invented
> new terms. People were told they must "forge" (lot dam)
> a new revolutionary character, that they were the
> "instruments" (opokar) of the Angkar, and that
> nostalgia for pre-revolutionary times (chheu satek arom,
> or "memory sickness") could result in their receiving
> Angkar's "invitation" to be deindustrialised and to live
> in a concentration camp.
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