[sudo-discuss] revolutionaries and the creation of new language

[Hol Gaskill]

right on.  the free flow of information these days is really helping with this process.  people are documenting and sharing so much - an incalculable volume of garbage but also a huge volume of really good info and ideas that people are freely adopting - as long as people exercise a little bit of critical thinking before adopting and/or reposting to the hive, the collective filter mechanism to reject dishonest language and harmful behaviors from their cultural sphere of influence and promote the positive is getting stronger on the daily.

cheers


May 9, 2013 04:17:23 AM, alcides888 at gmail.com wrote:
I'd like to re-enter "allow" vs. the "persuade." I believe philosophies should not be forced upon people. Instead, I think its more awesome to invite someone into your home and see how you live vs. urging lifestyles onto others. Your guests can adopt what they want. This may increase the chance of failure, but may also increase the chance of free will for whatever audience. I believe thats a good thing.


I dont think working to change language, protocols, or social structures is a bad idea -IF- the developers are mindful to 'allow' people to adopt what they want and not 'persuade' people to follow their lead.


Alcides Gutierrez
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On May 9, 2013 12:52 AM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" g2g-public01 at att.net> wrote:
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    Good example.  Also an example of what happens when power is wielded
    without checks & balances, by people who are so enamored of a
    theory that it obscures the real world.  
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    The Khmer Rough also routinely slaughtered or interned &
    tortured anyone found wearing glasses, because they believed that
    glasses were a sign of an attempt to assert status by the
    intellectual and technical classes.  But the fact is that by middle
    age, almost all men and probably at least a majority of women
    require the use of glasses to read and perform other short-distance
    visual tasks.  That inconvenient fact didn't get in the way of the
    Khmer Rouge's theory.  
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    Everyone reading this email is a member of the "intellectual and
    technical class," even if a large plurality of us are living on
    working class income or less.  And the vast majority of us are going
    to live long enough to need glasses.  Fortunately none of us has the
    power to compel any of us to use words a certain way, even though we
    can & do argue (as peers) about that. 
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    On 13-05-08-Wed 10:21 PM, Romy Ilano
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      There is a yin and a yang to everything.
        
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        Here are a few examples of the "dark side" of
          reshaping language... 
        
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          I've read a lot of history about the Chinese Cultural
            Revolution and the Cambodian Khmer Rouge... these groups
            were very interested in reforming a corrupt society, finding
            new ways of doing things. They are not shining examples but
            I can say that their intentions started out pure.
          
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          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge_rule_of_Cambodia#Establishing_the_Constitution_of_Democratic_Kampuchea
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              the surface, society in Democratic Kampuchea was strictly egalitarian.
              The Khmer
                language, like many in Southeast Asia, has a complex
              system of usages to define speakers' rank and social
              status. These usages were abandoned. People were
              encouraged to call each other "friend", or "comrade" (in
              Khmer, មិត្ដ mitt), and to avoid traditional signs of
              deference such as bowing or folding the hands in
              salutation.

            Language
              was transformed in other ways. The Khmer Rouge invented
              new terms. People were told they must "forge" (lot dam)
              a new revolutionary character, that they were the
              "instruments" (opokar) of the Angkar, and that
              nostalgia for pre-revolutionary times (chheu satek arom,
              or "memory sickness") could result in their receiving
              Angkar's "invitation" to be deindustrialised and to live
              in a concentration camp.

          
        
      
      
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