[sudo-discuss] reminder: this email list is Google-able

[johanna faust]

*SHORT VERSION:*
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i expected public when i signed up and see these discussions, primarily, as
a resource that will have been found to bear its sweetest fruit by virtue,
yes, of it's having been mined -- but by the People who share this Lively
Stage, not the Creeping, and Creepy, Evil Spy Creeps.
*
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*LONG VERSION:*

as a child of the Early Modern  period, may i show a solidarity i would not
have expected, quite frankly:  i am squarely on the side of make it
searchable.  usually i try to more fanatical about privacy as a rule, than
wherever i left off, because i know more would be better.  never a
facebook, waiting for nym-support to click at that g-plus with *someone
else's* mouse, nonetheless here i tippy-tap to gmail, as has been recently
brought to my embarrassed attention.

but:

so much of this age is ephemeral.  so much of our wisdom is going to be
lost.  it is frightening, really.  in that way, i hope the spooks make some
hard copy on acid free paper in permanent ink....

because:

i have gotten such good, such wisdom and inspiration, from similar
archives, when they turn up in answer to some search of mine....

unless there is a risk factor i am not taking seriously enough, such as,
this makes it easier for my gmail to become a zombie server of 'American
Idol' action figure brand sugar snacks...

i am rather fond, as well, of the public and searcheable nature of this
record of our lives.

it is (as far as i am aware) the first such list that i have participated
in in the digital world (i ran a couple of Amateur Press Associations, or
APAs, back in their heyday at the dawn of the internet, that event that a
before which cannot be conceived)...

not counting dumb ass go-nowhere google groups and that facebook page that
is STILL stealing one of  my poems.

but i digress.  and  conclude.  be seeing you.

On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco at gmail.com>wrote:

> We should be clear that the part of our collective memory that is made
> publicly searchable by Google et. al. is only a slice of the feast on Big
> Brother's cannibal menu:
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/04/telephone-calls-recorded-fbi-boston
>
> BURNETT: Tim, is there any way, obviously, there is a voice mail they can
> try to get the phone companies to give that up at this point. It's not a
> voice mail. It's just a conversation. There's no way they actually can find
> out what happened, right, unless she tells them?
>
> CLEMENTE: "No, *there is a way. We certainly have ways in national
> security investigations to find out exactly what was said in that
> conversation.* It's not necessarily something that the FBI is going to
> want to present in court, but it may help lead the investigation and/or
> lead to questioning of her. We certainly can find that out.
>
> BURNETT: "So they can actually get that? People are saying, look, that is
> incredible.
>
> CLEMENTE: "No, *welcome to America. All of that stuff is being captured
> as we speak whether we know it or like it or not*."
>
> "All of that stuff" - meaning every telephone conversation Americans have
> with one another on US soil, with or without a search warrant - "is being
> captured as we speak"
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:06 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01 at att.net>wrote:
>
>>
>> Rabbit & Yo's-
>>
>> Here's another vote for "yes we should have a list that's not indexed by
>> Google."
>>
>> Given the choice between posting to a list that's a direct
>> surveillance-feed and one that isn't, many of us will take our discussion
>> to the latter.  (Would you rather cuddle with your friends under a
>> surveillance camera, or under a tree?)
>>
>> But let's not call it "ephemeral," because that word, in this context, is
>> a white flag of surrender.  It's surrender to the idea that Google is the
>> one and only keeper of cultural memory, and anything else is merely
>> transient.  It's surrender to corporate power and the control state.
>>
>> We should assert the right to our own collective memory, stored on our
>> own devices, accessible to our own community.  The place for the kind of
>> broadcast that becomes an appetizer on Big Brother's cannibal menu, is when
>> the broadcast is something that'll give Big Brother indigestion.
>>
>> Let Google eat our manifestos, proclamations, and press releases.  But
>> not our soul-searches, our occasional bickering, our existential angst, or
>> our vulnerable self-revealing philosophizing about sex, religion, and the
>> meaning of life.
>>
>> -G.
>>
>>
>> =====
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 13-05-05-Sun 5:16 PM, Rabbit wrote:
>>
>>  Just a reminder that the archives of this list are indexed by Google.
>>
>>
>>  (For this reason I'm keeping pretty quiet here.  Would anyone else like
>> to have a list which is not indexed?  How about "sudo-ephemeral"?)
>>
>>
>>  -Rabbit
>>
>>
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