[sudo-discuss] Erotica and women's bodies

Sat May 4 20:11:05 PDT 2013

YEAH!!!!!!!!!

On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:

> Totally sent this from the wrong email. So bringing it back to the list.
>
> I think it basically boils down to homophobia ie. "who will show up if
> they might see a naked man"?.... Our answer: people who truely unstand
> sexuality as more than just hetero men getting what they want.
> On May 4, 2013 7:43 PM, "Romy Ilano" <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>
>> i've nEVER met anyone holding an erotic event who made the male and
>> stripper female ratio equal
>>
>> that is such a no-brainer to me. i don't understand why people don't do
>> that
>>
>> if businessmen go to lunch around strippers, why can't it be 50% hot male
>> strippers and 50%hot female strippers? that would make the world so much
>> easier to deal with.
>>
>> you rule!
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Romy Ilano <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>>
>>> andrew that last commentw as so rad! that's cool. =D
>>>
>>> that's the kind of erotic event i'd be into
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Erotica and women's bodies
>>> To: Andrew <andrew at vagabondballroom.com>
>>> Cc: Sudo Room discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> Or less representation of sex altogether. What does anyone need porn for?
>>> On May 4, 2013 7:10 PM, "Andrew" <andrew at vagabondballroom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When i ran an erotic event in oakland our crew made it a point to
>>>> balence genders as much as possible. We had male and female co-hosts and
>>>> male and female strippers.
>>>>
>>>> Also. Somthing to keep in mind is that there are more than two genders.
>>>> In my mind objectification is not the issue. Representation is. Porn is
>>>> mostly filmed from a hetero-cis-male perspective and because of that, taken
>>>> as a whole, is exploitive. There is porn that fights this perspective and
>>>> representation of sex and there needs to be more.
>>>>  On May 4, 2013 6:55 PM, "Sonja Trauss" <sonja.trauss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Can I get a link for this gonorreah story?
>>>>> On May 4, 2013 6:42 PM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" <g2g-public01 at att.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Romy & Yo's-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Re. "womens' bodies with their faces cut off."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow.  Thanks for pointing that out.  I never noticed that before (OTOH
>>>>>> attempts to do "sexy" in advertising generally don't get my
>>>>>> attention),
>>>>>> but I vaguely recall seeing ads like that somewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree, a torso minus a face is depersonalizing and objectifying as
>>>>>> hell, unless there's a very good reason for taking a photo that way
>>>>>> (e.g. medical contexts).  Being looked at "that way" produces the
>>>>>> creepy
>>>>>> feeling that the looker's intentions are non-consensual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only borderline-legit reason I could see for doing it in clothing
>>>>>> ads is, "we want you to imagine yourself wearing this, and we don't
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> to risk putting you off by showing a face that's substantially
>>>>>> different
>>>>>> to yours, so imagine your face on this person's body."  But it would
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> foolish to think that's what's intended every time that photographic
>>>>>> method is used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This brings up the question of what people find sexy in photography.
>>>>>> For me (gay male), a photo minus a face is a non-starter: there's no
>>>>>> cue
>>>>>> for communication with the person.  Nudes in general don't do it
>>>>>> either:
>>>>>> all the usual contextual cues as to someone's personality are missing,
>>>>>> so why would I even begin to imagine being in an intimate context with
>>>>>> someone I don't really know?  I've always felt that way but now we
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> the HIV pandemic to reinforce it: in general it's not a good idea to
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> intimate with someone you don't know very well, because the outcome
>>>>>> could be a life-threatening illness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For that matter, now that massively-drug-resistant gonorrhea is loose
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the USA, which is hella' easier to catch than HIV and can kill you in
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> matter of days through a raging bacterial infection, it's probably a
>>>>>> darn good idea for everyone to "get smart & play safe" ALL the time,
>>>>>> zero exceptions, even more so than with HIV.  In which case
>>>>>> photography
>>>>>> that portrays an objectified sexuality without communications isn't
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> gross and exploitative, it's a public health hazard that reinforces
>>>>>> attitudes that put people at risk for their lives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -G.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =====
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13-05-04-Sat 10:34 AM, Romy Snowyla wrote:
>>>>>> > It's interesting to me how porn a
>>>>>> > Nd erotica always advertise with women's bodies with their faces
>>>>>> cut off
>>>>>> > American apparel digs this etc
>>>>>> > Lots of art theory discusses this
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I would love for any Sudo room event to break the mold and show
>>>>>> men's bodies in any erotic theme as well ... Also would love to see the
>>>>>> male body as the focus of any erotic film or dance to balance out the
>>>>>> Imbalance and unnatural obsession with t and a we see on the porn industry
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Sent from my iPad
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