[sudo-discuss] Erotica and women's bodies

[Andrew]

Totally sent this from the wrong email. So bringing it back to the list.

I think it basically boils down to homophobia ie. "who will show up if they
might see a naked man"?.... Our answer: people who truely unstand sexuality
as more than just hetero men getting what they want.
On May 4, 2013 7:43 PM, "Romy Ilano" <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:

> i've nEVER met anyone holding an erotic event who made the male and
> stripper female ratio equal
>
> that is such a no-brainer to me. i don't understand why people don't do
> that
>
> if businessmen go to lunch around strippers, why can't it be 50% hot male
> strippers and 50%hot female strippers? that would make the world so much
> easier to deal with.
>
> you rule!
>
>
> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Romy Ilano <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>
>> andrew that last commentw as so rad! that's cool. =D
>>
>> that's the kind of erotic event i'd be into
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Erotica and women's bodies
>> To: Andrew <andrew at vagabondballroom.com>
>> Cc: Sudo Room discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>>
>>
>> Or less representation of sex altogether. What does anyone need porn for?
>> On May 4, 2013 7:10 PM, "Andrew" <andrew at vagabondballroom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> When i ran an erotic event in oakland our crew made it a point to
>>> balence genders as much as possible. We had male and female co-hosts and
>>> male and female strippers.
>>>
>>> Also. Somthing to keep in mind is that there are more than two genders.
>>> In my mind objectification is not the issue. Representation is. Porn is
>>> mostly filmed from a hetero-cis-male perspective and because of that, taken
>>> as a whole, is exploitive. There is porn that fights this perspective and
>>> representation of sex and there needs to be more.
>>>  On May 4, 2013 6:55 PM, "Sonja Trauss" <sonja.trauss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can I get a link for this gonorreah story?
>>>> On May 4, 2013 6:42 PM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" <g2g-public01 at att.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Romy & Yo's-
>>>>>
>>>>> Re. "womens' bodies with their faces cut off."
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow.  Thanks for pointing that out.  I never noticed that before (OTOH
>>>>> attempts to do "sexy" in advertising generally don't get my attention),
>>>>> but I vaguely recall seeing ads like that somewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree, a torso minus a face is depersonalizing and objectifying as
>>>>> hell, unless there's a very good reason for taking a photo that way
>>>>> (e.g. medical contexts).  Being looked at "that way" produces the
>>>>> creepy
>>>>> feeling that the looker's intentions are non-consensual.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only borderline-legit reason I could see for doing it in clothing
>>>>> ads is, "we want you to imagine yourself wearing this, and we don't
>>>>> want
>>>>> to risk putting you off by showing a face that's substantially
>>>>> different
>>>>> to yours, so imagine your face on this person's body."  But it would be
>>>>> foolish to think that's what's intended every time that photographic
>>>>> method is used.
>>>>>
>>>>> This brings up the question of what people find sexy in photography.
>>>>> For me (gay male), a photo minus a face is a non-starter: there's no
>>>>> cue
>>>>> for communication with the person.  Nudes in general don't do it
>>>>> either:
>>>>> all the usual contextual cues as to someone's personality are missing,
>>>>> so why would I even begin to imagine being in an intimate context with
>>>>> someone I don't really know?  I've always felt that way but now we have
>>>>> the HIV pandemic to reinforce it: in general it's not a good idea to
>>>>> get
>>>>> intimate with someone you don't know very well, because the outcome
>>>>> could be a life-threatening illness.
>>>>>
>>>>> For that matter, now that massively-drug-resistant gonorrhea is loose
>>>>> in
>>>>> the USA, which is hella' easier to catch than HIV and can kill you in a
>>>>> matter of days through a raging bacterial infection, it's probably a
>>>>> darn good idea for everyone to "get smart & play safe" ALL the time,
>>>>> zero exceptions, even more so than with HIV.  In which case photography
>>>>> that portrays an objectified sexuality without communications isn't
>>>>> just
>>>>> gross and exploitative, it's a public health hazard that reinforces
>>>>> attitudes that put people at risk for their lives.
>>>>>
>>>>> -G.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> =====
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 13-05-04-Sat 10:34 AM, Romy Snowyla wrote:
>>>>> > It's interesting to me how porn a
>>>>> > Nd erotica always advertise with women's bodies with their faces cut
>>>>> off
>>>>> > American apparel digs this etc
>>>>> > Lots of art theory discusses this
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I would love for any Sudo room event to break the mold and show
>>>>> men's bodies in any erotic theme as well ... Also would love to see the
>>>>> male body as the focus of any erotic film or dance to balance out the
>>>>> Imbalance and unnatural obsession with t and a we see on the porn industry
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Sent from my iPad
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