[sudo-discuss] Erotica and women's bodies

Sat May 4 20:22:34 PDT 2013

Also. Happy National Masturbation Month
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Masturbation_Day

On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Romy Ilano <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:

> YEAH!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:
>
>> Totally sent this from the wrong email. So bringing it back to the list.
>>
>> I think it basically boils down to homophobia ie. "who will show up if
>> they might see a naked man"?.... Our answer: people who truely unstand
>> sexuality as more than just hetero men getting what they want.
>>  On May 4, 2013 7:43 PM, "Romy Ilano" <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>>
>>> i've nEVER met anyone holding an erotic event who made the male and
>>> stripper female ratio equal
>>>
>>> that is such a no-brainer to me. i don't understand why people don't do
>>> that
>>>
>>> if businessmen go to lunch around strippers, why can't it be 50% hot
>>> male strippers and 50%hot female strippers? that would make the world so
>>> much easier to deal with.
>>>
>>> you rule!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Romy Ilano <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> andrew that last commentw as so rad! that's cool. =D
>>>>
>>>> that's the kind of erotic event i'd be into
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:20 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Erotica and women's bodies
>>>> To: Andrew <andrew at vagabondballroom.com>
>>>> Cc: Sudo Room discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Or less representation of sex altogether. What does anyone need porn
>>>> for?
>>>> On May 4, 2013 7:10 PM, "Andrew" <andrew at vagabondballroom.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When i ran an erotic event in oakland our crew made it a point to
>>>>> balence genders as much as possible. We had male and female co-hosts and
>>>>> male and female strippers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also. Somthing to keep in mind is that there are more than two
>>>>> genders. In my mind objectification is not the issue. Representation is.
>>>>> Porn is mostly filmed from a hetero-cis-male perspective and because of
>>>>> that, taken as a whole, is exploitive. There is porn that fights this
>>>>> perspective and representation of sex and there needs to be more.
>>>>>  On May 4, 2013 6:55 PM, "Sonja Trauss" <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can I get a link for this gonorreah story?
>>>>>> On May 4, 2013 6:42 PM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" <g2g-public01 at att.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Romy & Yo's-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Re. "womens' bodies with their faces cut off."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow.  Thanks for pointing that out.  I never noticed that before
>>>>>>> (OTOH
>>>>>>> attempts to do "sexy" in advertising generally don't get my
>>>>>>> attention),
>>>>>>> but I vaguely recall seeing ads like that somewhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree, a torso minus a face is depersonalizing and objectifying as
>>>>>>> hell, unless there's a very good reason for taking a photo that way
>>>>>>> (e.g. medical contexts).  Being looked at "that way" produces the
>>>>>>> creepy
>>>>>>> feeling that the looker's intentions are non-consensual.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only borderline-legit reason I could see for doing it in clothing
>>>>>>> ads is, "we want you to imagine yourself wearing this, and we don't
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> to risk putting you off by showing a face that's substantially
>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>> to yours, so imagine your face on this person's body."  But it would
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> foolish to think that's what's intended every time that photographic
>>>>>>> method is used.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This brings up the question of what people find sexy in photography.
>>>>>>> For me (gay male), a photo minus a face is a non-starter: there's no
>>>>>>> cue
>>>>>>> for communication with the person.  Nudes in general don't do it
>>>>>>> either:
>>>>>>> all the usual contextual cues as to someone's personality are
>>>>>>> missing,
>>>>>>> so why would I even begin to imagine being in an intimate context
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> someone I don't really know?  I've always felt that way but now we
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> the HIV pandemic to reinforce it: in general it's not a good idea to
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> intimate with someone you don't know very well, because the outcome
>>>>>>> could be a life-threatening illness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For that matter, now that massively-drug-resistant gonorrhea is
>>>>>>> loose in
>>>>>>> the USA, which is hella' easier to catch than HIV and can kill you
>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>> matter of days through a raging bacterial infection, it's probably a
>>>>>>> darn good idea for everyone to "get smart & play safe" ALL the time,
>>>>>>> zero exceptions, even more so than with HIV.  In which case
>>>>>>> photography
>>>>>>> that portrays an objectified sexuality without communications isn't
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> gross and exploitative, it's a public health hazard that reinforces
>>>>>>> attitudes that put people at risk for their lives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -G.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =====
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 13-05-04-Sat 10:34 AM, Romy Snowyla wrote:
>>>>>>> > It's interesting to me how porn a
>>>>>>> > Nd erotica always advertise with women's bodies with their faces
>>>>>>> cut off
>>>>>>> > American apparel digs this etc
>>>>>>> > Lots of art theory discusses this
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I would love for any Sudo room event to break the mold and show
>>>>>>> men's bodies in any erotic theme as well ... Also would love to see the
>>>>>>> male body as the focus of any erotic film or dance to balance out the
>>>>>>> Imbalance and unnatural obsession with t and a we see on the porn industry
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Sent from my iPad
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