[sudo-discuss] Erotica and women's bodies

Sat May 4 19:57:37 PDT 2013

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[Some] people want porn for that reason :)

I personally think porn is beautiful and ought to be considered art,
not simply a tool to help someone get off. I think the kind of porn
changes peoples relationships with it... for example, video porn vs
photographs vs literotica. There's also something to be said for
roleplaying.

The shit that comes out of LA and endorses non-consentual
objectification, I generally consider trash, not porn. :)

On 5/4/13 7:53 PM, Andrew wrote:
> People want porn for somthing easy to focus on while masturbating. 
> Masturbating being a natural part of life. I also dont think that
> all people who can have sex with others, but don't , are doing so
> because they don't have the "skills"
> 
> On May 4, 2013 7:20 PM, "Sonja Trauss" <sonja.trauss at gmail.com 
> <mailto:sonja.trauss at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Or less representation of sex altogether. What does anyone need
> porn for?
> 
> On May 4, 2013 7:10 PM, "Andrew" <andrew at vagabondballroom.com 
> <mailto:andrew at vagabondballroom.com>> wrote:
> 
> When i ran an erotic event in oakland our crew made it a point to
> balence genders as much as possible. We had male and female 
> co-hosts and male and female strippers.
> 
> Also. Somthing to keep in mind is that there are more than two 
> genders. In my mind objectification is not the issue. 
> Representation is. Porn is mostly filmed from a hetero-cis-male 
> perspective and because of that, taken as a whole, is exploitive.
> There is porn that fights this perspective and representation of
> sex and there needs to be more.
> 
> On May 4, 2013 6:55 PM, "Sonja Trauss" <sonja.trauss at gmail.com 
> <mailto:sonja.trauss at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Can I get a link for this gonorreah story?
> 
> On May 4, 2013 6:42 PM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" <g2g-public01 at att.net
> <mailto:g2g-public01 at att.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Romy & Yo's-
> 
> Re. "womens' bodies with their faces cut off."
> 
> Wow.  Thanks for pointing that out.  I never noticed that before
> (OTOH attempts to do "sexy" in advertising generally don't get my
> attention), but I vaguely recall seeing ads like that somewhere.
> 
> I agree, a torso minus a face is depersonalizing and objectifying
> as hell, unless there's a very good reason for taking a photo that
> way (e.g. medical contexts).  Being looked at "that way" produces
> the creepy feeling that the looker's intentions are
> non-consensual.
> 
> The only borderline-legit reason I could see for doing it in
> clothing ads is, "we want you to imagine yourself wearing this, and
> we don't want to risk putting you off by showing a face that's 
> substantially different to yours, so imagine your face on this
> person's body." But it would be foolish to think that's what's
> intended every time that photographic method is used.
> 
> This brings up the question of what people find sexy in 
> photography. For me (gay male), a photo minus a face is a 
> non-starter: there's no cue for communication with the person.
> Nudes in general don't do it either: all the usual contextual cues
> as to someone's personality are missing, so why would I even begin
> to imagine being in an intimate context with someone I don't really
> know?  I've always felt that way but now we have the HIV pandemic
> to reinforce it: in general it's not a good idea to get intimate
> with someone you don't know very well, because the outcome could be
> a life-threatening illness.
> 
> For that matter, now that massively-drug-resistant gonorrhea is
> loose in the USA, which is hella' easier to catch than HIV and can
> kill you in a matter of days through a raging bacterial infection, 
> it's probably a darn good idea for everyone to "get smart & play
> safe" ALL the time, zero exceptions, even more so than with HIV.
> In which case photography that portrays an objectified sexuality
> without communications isn't just gross and exploitative, it's a
> public health hazard that reinforces attitudes that put people at
> risk for their lives.
> 
> -G.
> 
> 
> =====
> 
> 
> On 13-05-04-Sat 10:34 AM, Romy Snowyla wrote:
>> It's interesting to me how porn a Nd erotica always advertise
>> with women's bodies with
> their faces cut off
>> American apparel digs this etc Lots of art theory discusses this
>> 
>> I would love for any Sudo room event to break the mold
> and show men's bodies in any erotic theme as well ... Also would
> love to see the male body as the focus of any erotic film or dance
> to balance out the Imbalance and unnatural obsession with t and a
> we see on the porn industry
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad 
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