[sudo-discuss] Erotica and women's bodies

Sat May 4 20:00:46 PDT 2013

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I think I should clarify, there is nothing wrong with using porn as a
tool to get off. Of course there are issues when porn becomes the
*only* way someone can get off, but that's another story.

On 5/4/13 7:57 PM, aestetix wrote:
> [Some] people want porn for that reason :)
> 
> I personally think porn is beautiful and ought to be considered
> art, not simply a tool to help someone get off. I think the kind of
> porn changes peoples relationships with it... for example, video
> porn vs photographs vs literotica. There's also something to be
> said for roleplaying.
> 
> The shit that comes out of LA and endorses non-consentual 
> objectification, I generally consider trash, not porn. :)
> 
> On 5/4/13 7:53 PM, Andrew wrote:
>> People want porn for somthing easy to focus on while
>> masturbating. Masturbating being a natural part of life. I also
>> dont think that all people who can have sex with others, but
>> don't , are doing so because they don't have the "skills"
> 
>> On May 4, 2013 7:20 PM, "Sonja Trauss" <sonja.trauss at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:sonja.trauss at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Or less representation of sex altogether. What does anyone need 
>> porn for?
> 
>> On May 4, 2013 7:10 PM, "Andrew" <andrew at vagabondballroom.com 
>> <mailto:andrew at vagabondballroom.com>> wrote:
> 
>> When i ran an erotic event in oakland our crew made it a point
>> to balence genders as much as possible. We had male and female 
>> co-hosts and male and female strippers.
> 
>> Also. Somthing to keep in mind is that there are more than two 
>> genders. In my mind objectification is not the issue. 
>> Representation is. Porn is mostly filmed from a hetero-cis-male 
>> perspective and because of that, taken as a whole, is
>> exploitive. There is porn that fights this perspective and
>> representation of sex and there needs to be more.
> 
>> On May 4, 2013 6:55 PM, "Sonja Trauss" <sonja.trauss at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:sonja.trauss at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Can I get a link for this gonorreah story?
> 
>> On May 4, 2013 6:42 PM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne"
>> <g2g-public01 at att.net <mailto:g2g-public01 at att.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Romy & Yo's-
> 
>> Re. "womens' bodies with their faces cut off."
> 
>> Wow.  Thanks for pointing that out.  I never noticed that before 
>> (OTOH attempts to do "sexy" in advertising generally don't get
>> my attention), but I vaguely recall seeing ads like that
>> somewhere.
> 
>> I agree, a torso minus a face is depersonalizing and
>> objectifying as hell, unless there's a very good reason for
>> taking a photo that way (e.g. medical contexts).  Being looked at
>> "that way" produces the creepy feeling that the looker's
>> intentions are non-consensual.
> 
>> The only borderline-legit reason I could see for doing it in 
>> clothing ads is, "we want you to imagine yourself wearing this,
>> and we don't want to risk putting you off by showing a face
>> that's substantially different to yours, so imagine your face on
>> this person's body." But it would be foolish to think that's
>> what's intended every time that photographic method is used.
> 
>> This brings up the question of what people find sexy in 
>> photography. For me (gay male), a photo minus a face is a 
>> non-starter: there's no cue for communication with the person. 
>> Nudes in general don't do it either: all the usual contextual
>> cues as to someone's personality are missing, so why would I even
>> begin to imagine being in an intimate context with someone I
>> don't really know?  I've always felt that way but now we have the
>> HIV pandemic to reinforce it: in general it's not a good idea to
>> get intimate with someone you don't know very well, because the
>> outcome could be a life-threatening illness.
> 
>> For that matter, now that massively-drug-resistant gonorrhea is 
>> loose in the USA, which is hella' easier to catch than HIV and
>> can kill you in a matter of days through a raging bacterial
>> infection, it's probably a darn good idea for everyone to "get
>> smart & play safe" ALL the time, zero exceptions, even more so
>> than with HIV. In which case photography that portrays an
>> objectified sexuality without communications isn't just gross and
>> exploitative, it's a public health hazard that reinforces
>> attitudes that put people at risk for their lives.
> 
>> -G.
> 
> 
>> =====
> 
> 
>> On 13-05-04-Sat 10:34 AM, Romy Snowyla wrote:
>>> It's interesting to me how porn a Nd erotica always advertise 
>>> with women's bodies with
>> their faces cut off
>>> American apparel digs this etc Lots of art theory discusses
>>> this
>>> 
>>> I would love for any Sudo room event to break the mold
>> and show men's bodies in any erotic theme as well ... Also would 
>> love to see the male body as the focus of any erotic film or
>> dance to balance out the Imbalance and unnatural obsession with t
>> and a we see on the porn industry
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad 
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