[sudo-discuss] It's Unconscionable

Fri Mar 1 12:10:59 PST 2013

+1 to Michael

Neither Weekend Workshop nor the Mayor did anything that needed to be
appologized for. You can buy pick sets at numorus places online.
On Mar 1, 2013 11:15 AM, "J.D. Zamfirescu" <zamfire at gmail.com> wrote:

> For those interested, Workshop Weekend (that is, my brother and I)
> prepared the following statement on the lockpicking issue. We fully support
> Sudo Room having its own statement on the issue too.
>
> ===========
>
> Over the past two days, Workshop Weekend has received complaints from
> concerned citizens of Oakland about the upcoming "Introduction to
> Lockpicking" workshop being offered as part of Workshop Weekend on March 2,
> 2013. The workshop will run as scheduled, but in response to community
> concerns, lock-picking tools will no longer be offered for sale at the
> event.
>
>
> As Oakland residents ourselves, we have felt Oakland's crime problem, and
> we appreciate the community's concerns that offering a lock-picking
> workshop appears to encourage crime and sends the wrong message. We
> recognize now that it was insensitive to have the workshop listed and
> broadcast in the way that it was, and we regret doing so.
>
>
> To provide some background, Workshop Weekend invited The Open Organization
> of Lockpickers (TOOOL) to run a workshop about lock-picking and lock
> mechanisms this weekend.
>
>
> Exploring lock-picking and understanding the limitations of locks is
> valuable for everyone who relies on locks for physical security, and in
> kids it can spark an interest in mechanical engineering and complex systems.
>
>
> We would also like to share the following note from TOOOL, the group
> offering the session: "We in TOOOL are of course sensitive to the concern
> that occasionally surrounds our lock-themed workshops. We can only hope
> that the atmosphere of openness, information sharing, and strong ethical
> standards which is a part of all TOOOL meetings can assuage some concerns.
> Knowing about the weaknesses in certain locks protects the public; it does
> not aid criminals. Please visit our website -- toool.us -- for more
> information."
>
>
> We hope this note makes things clear to everyone; our goal is provide an
> educational and inclusive experience for everyone in Oakland who would like
> to be involved with our events.
>
>
> *Workshop Weekend is a two-day celebration of hands-on learning taking
> place in the heart of downtown Oakland, bringing together kids and adults
> from Oakland as well as the rest of the Bay Area. The event encourages
> exploration of new interests and passions by offering over 40 workshops in
> subjects not typically taught in schools, including aeroponics,
> electronics, and 3D printing. For more information, visit
> workshopweekend.net*
>
>
> We welcome your thoughts and comments at feedback at workshopweekend.net
>
> ===========
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:44 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <zamfire at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Michael, you're not missing anything -- we haven't finished drafting the
>> workshop weekend statement yet. :)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Michael Scroggins <
>> michaeljscroggins at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I must have missed something in the email chain as I am unaware of the
>>> Workshop Weekend letter. Of course, you are right that the two letters
>>> should match, especially in front of the media. I can't help to think,
>>> though, that this is an opportunity to drive home the broader point that
>>> neither curiosity nor association is a crime.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Eddan Katz wrote:
>>>
>>> Seems to me like sticking to correcting the misuse of the word
>>> unconscionable can be respectful to the police chief and informative about
>>> the difference between skills and criminal intent.
>>>
>>> If Sudo Room does a separate statement, it should follow on Workshop
>>> Weekend's letter and support its posture and position.
>>>
>>> There'll be TV cameras there this weekend - we can feel pretty confident
>>> about that. It would be very useful to share a common understanding in
>>> order not to have our purpose misrepresented.
>>>
>>>
>>> sent from eddan.com
>>>
>>> On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Michael Scroggins <
>>> michaeljscroggins at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I think a statement is well and proper. I also think arguing the right
>>> to disinterest inquiry is the proper line.
>>>
>>> To the earlier back and forth about "known gang members" ... one of the
>>> differences between the people at SudoRoom and "known gang members" is
>>> simply that to be classified as "known" is to be stripped of your right to
>>> disinterested inquiry. All of your actions having been prejudged as
>>> interested and malicious.
>>>
>>> If the letter is worded right we can make a statement about the lock
>>> picking class and about the direction policing in Oakland has taken.
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Eddan Katz wrote:
>>>
>>> J.D. - do you think there should be an additional statement from Sudo
>>> Room?
>>>
>>> Before we proceed any further - does anyone have objections to writing
>>> such a letter or signing on to it? What the statement says is another
>>> matter for which Sudo member objections should also feel empowered to
>>> raise. Comments can be made anonymously on the etherpad or on IRC, if
>>> someone isn't comfortable doing it on the list.
>>>
>>> sent from eddan.com
>>>
>>> On Feb 28, 2013, at 5:15 PM, "J.D. Zamfirescu" <zamfire at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, we were hoping to publish it tonight. Let me try to draft
>>> something and send it on?
>>>
>>> Part of me is concerned about editing a public statement on a public
>>> list...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Eddan <eddan at clear.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> J.D. - where were you thinking of publishing this letter?
>>>>
>>>> I think it would make for a stronger and more thoughtful response if
>>>> there was a collective voice signing on to it either as a group or listed
>>>> as individuals.
>>>>
>>>> With the help of the collective editorial prowess of the Sudo list, do
>>>> you think you would be ready to publish it before tomorrow morning?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Eddan <eddan at clear.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think the question is, rather - Can you get hired by a locksmith
>>>>> company without knowing how to pick a lock?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:01 PM, <thadwooster at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I could be totally wrong on this, but I believe locksmiths are
>>>>>> required to be bonded, fingerprinted and licensed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2013, at 4:59 PM, rusty lindgren wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WTF #@*)DKLJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I sent an email to that newb at the newspaper... UM, where do they
>>>>>> think locksmiths learn stuff?  Should they have to pay to become a
>>>>>> locksmith???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So stupid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ftfy!: THIS is unconscionable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Eddan <eddan at clear.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, this requires a response. Has anybody started drafting
>>>>>>>> something? If not, I will.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> Oakland Police Chief Howard Jordan<http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Howard+Jordan%22> was
>>>>>>>> not pleased.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "I'm in shock that people would provide a class to teach people a
>>>>>>>> skill to violate the law," Jordan said. "It's unconscionable."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lock-pick instructor Michael Fitzhugh<http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Michael+Fitzhugh%22> is
>>>>>>>> a member of TOOOL (The Open Organisation Of Lockpickers<http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Open+Organisation+Of+Lockpickers%22>),
>>>>>>>> a Netherlands-based outfit that teaches and holds national and
>>>>>>>> international lock-picking events annually. In their world, lock picking is
>>>>>>>> done for sport and bragging rights. But, he says, it's also a useful tool
>>>>>>>> if you lock yourself out of your home.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jordan has a more conventional solution to that problem: "Call
>>>>>>>> a locksmith!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Quan-s-wrong-note-on-lock-picking-class-4318130.php
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even worse than Quan, this guy's so desperate to change the subject
>>>>>>>> about the incompetence of the OPD in news story after news story.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unconscionable!?! This coming from a police department that was
>>>>>>>> about to go into an unprecedented federal receivership for its failure to
>>>>>>>> reform; not to mention a police department seared with a global reputation
>>>>>>>> for brutality, racism, and excessive means; and whose fundamental
>>>>>>>> miscalculations and mismanagement of the response to Occupy cost the city
>>>>>>>> millions of dollars.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rusty Lindgren
>>>>>> **
>>>>>>
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