[sudo-discuss] Governance in meetings
Romy Ilano
romy at snowyla.com
Tue Mar 19 13:34:06 PDT 2013
We can even make a mobile serious game inside a node candy wrapper and stick scala with a cherry on top!!!!
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Romy Ilano
Founder of Snowyla
http://www.snowyla.com
romy at snowyla.com
On Mar 19, 2013, at 10:54, Eddan Katz <nonamebar at clear.net> wrote:
> I'd like to follow up on the brilliant puppet show folk dance field harvesting suggestion with a revival of a previous discussion on Sudo-opoly [http://lists.hackerspaces.org/pipermail/sudoroom/2012-November/001151.html].
>
> When I reached out to the Toolbox for Education and Social Action (TESA) folks (http://toolboxfored.org/), the idea somehow evolved into something like a workshop weekend type of event that would have the collaborative creation of a board game as the intended result of the various sessions. We even talked about TESA coming out here to help facilitate the event, since they have a lot of experience with co-operation training. Sudo-opoly could be a sort of an anti-franchise offshoot of Co-opoly. Or the foundation for a massively multiplayer online game.
>
> I do think a puppet show folk dance would also be fun, and would likely require less planning.
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2013, at 7:20 AM, Romy Ilano <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I actually see a little need to discuss rules and so on. Look at the hippie California cult leader sal from the book the beach
>>
>>
>> I think it's humorous though that most people don't know what's going on. Maybe we can turn it into performance art with a dance groupe enacting a 2/3 vote.
>>
>> I started making diagrams ... Perhaps this can be a painting
>>
>> I'm not making fun of it but I'm realizing its part of an ongoing ritual and will someday become a tradition and a ceremony .
>>
>> Did not Ukrainian folk dance come in part from repetitive work of harvesting the fields?
>>
>> We can sing and dance to the governance rules and make puppets and maybe even start playing grind core
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Romy Ilano
>> Founder of Snowyla
>> http://www.snowyla.com
>> romy at snowyla.com
>>
>> On Mar 19, 2013, at 1:01, sudo-discuss-request at lists.sudoroom.org wrote:
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>>> 1. Adeline House is looking for a new Housemate
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>>> 2. "Skunk" topic cont'd: better tech & better usage (Anon195714)
>>> 3. Re: Freedom of name: Skunk topics: not lazy, exhausted.
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>>> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 16:16:04 -0700
>>> From: "Morten H. D. Fuglsang" <vallebo at gmail.com>
>>> To: "sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org"
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>>> Dear sudo'ers,
>>>
>>> Juul, Tunabananas, mr. Phage, Sir Mikey and myself have reached a final
>>> agreement with our landlord to rent the 2nd story on our Adeline House in
>>> West Oakland. We are looking for new housemates (both "permanent" and
>>> subletters, as some are away for some month), to starting 1st of April.
>>> We'd definitely love to have people we already know move in.
>>>
>>> We live as a community, sharing food (90% dumpster dived), the work on the
>>> house, etc. Our garden will soon be sprouting cool stuffs, and we have a
>>> yurt, chicken and more. Rent is cheap.
>>>
>>> Now having more space, we want to take this is an opportunity to "level up"
>>> our community and our intention of living together. If you're interested
>>> living as part of an intentional hacker-community, and building it even
>>> stronger, this might be a good fit.
>>>
>>> *TL:DR; We are awesome. Want to live with awesome people? Throw an e-mail
>>> and we will meet.*
>>> *
>>> *
>>> Make a great day,
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>>> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:19:31 -0700
>>> From: Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: Patrick Schmidt <psbschmidt at googlemail.com>
>>> Cc: nymrights <nymrights at lists.idcommons.net>, sudo-discuss
>>> <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>, Eddan Katz <eddan at eddan.com>
>>> Subject: [sudo-discuss] "Skunk" topic cont'd: better tech & better
>>> usage
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>>>
>>> Yo's-
>>>
>>> (Thanks Patrick!)
>>>
>>> Three things are needed. One is better tech. Two is smarter usage.
>>> Three is the courage of our convictions.
>>>
>>> 1) Better tech:
>>>
>>> YES we need better cellphone tech. For example:
>>>
>>> = Open source source code, with detailed instructions for compiling it
>>> and using it. (Full and explicit documentation should enable an average
>>> person to follow the steps successfully.)
>>>
>>> = Downloadable object code: compiled from the source code by trusted
>>> entities such as EFF, and downloadable from their website, along with
>>> detailed instructions for using it. (This will bring people onboard who
>>> can't compile from source.)
>>>
>>> = Devices that are pre-loaded with the new operating system and
>>> utilities. These would need to have some means by which users could
>>> connect to trusted sites to verify what was actually on their devices.
>>> (This will make the project accessible to the vast mass of humans who
>>> aren't geeks.)
>>>
>>> = While we're at it, the software should include cryptography and
>>> steganography, and improved voice fidelity.
>>>
>>> = And the software should be cross-platform: for existing mobile
>>> devices, for laptops with headsets, for desktops with landline phones.
>>> Make it universal and it will spread.
>>>
>>> About hardware: YES we need our own hardware, from a trusted source.
>>>
>>> = A "ringer" that cannot be subverted into a microphone. This part is
>>> easy: an oscillator and resonant buzzer. (Musical ringtones are
>>> needless nonsense that facilitate using speakers as microphones.)
>>>
>>> = Physical switches that cut off the mic, the speaker, the camera, the
>>> GPS sensor, and the inertial sensor (inertial sensors are another
>>> surveillance modality, details on request). The way to cut off a sensor
>>> is by a) cutting off its power, _and_ b) shorting its signal output to
>>> ground (both steps are required).
>>>
>>> On landline phones these functions are collectively known as the
>>> "hookswitch," and you can physically inspect it to see that it is in
>>> fact cutting off the speech circuit when the receiver is on the hook.
>>> Combining all the "sensor OFF" functions into a single switch similar to
>>> a landline "hookswitch" would require a "ten-pole / double-throw"
>>> switch: probably difficult to source that component, but not impossible.
>>>
>>> = Another physical switch that cuts off power entirely.
>>>
>>> With this combination of switches, you would have the choice of a)
>>> putting the device on "standby" such that it can receive calls but
>>> doesn't do anything else until you turn on the "hookswitch", or b)
>>> turning the device OFF altogether. "On - Standby - Off." Simple and
>>> straightforward.
>>>
>>> These switches could easily be built into the edge of the device,
>>> between two ridges that protect them from being damaged. I have a
>>> design in mind for this but don't have the time to post a diagram at
>>> this moment. Alternately they could be placed under a hinged cover on
>>> the device.
>>>
>>> = No "supercapacitors" on the circuit board, that could keep some of the
>>> functions running even when the battery is out, for example functions
>>> that are usable for remotely-triggered surveillance. It would not
>>> surprise me if supercaps are being used in mobile devices for this
>>> purpose right now, for GPS recording, and audio recording (the content
>>> from which would automatically upload when the device is powered up
>>> again). Without supercaps on the board, battery-out means device-OFF.
>>>
>>> = We have, in the local hackerspace community, people who have been
>>> highly successful in the business of making innovative hardware. We
>>> need to discuss this with them. This will lead to a product that can be
>>> mass produced.
>>>
>>> Probably the resulting device will be thicker and slightly larger than
>>> present devices. That's a small price to pay for privacy and the
>>> freedom that comes with privacy. We can do this!
>>>
>>>
>>> 2) Smarter usage:
>>>
>>> Embedded surveillance has become "popular" because it gives people
>>> things they want: for example the ability to get voicemail messages
>>> transcribed to text in email, so they can "skim" rambling messages more
>>> quickly. (In fact, figuring out a garbled text translation of a
>>> voicemail message takes longer than listening to the actual audio, but
>>> the marketing makes people believe it's faster.)
>>>
>>> This leads to two things:
>>>
>>> One is, more better tech. I was just speaking with a friend who'll
>>> probably post a comment to this thread, and he suggested that we already
>>> have most or all of the open-source tools needed to replace Google
>>> Docs. We can develop open-source, freedom-and-privacy-enhanced,
>>> replacements for most of the things people use that are connected to the
>>> "predict-you-and-control-you" surveillance economy.
>>>
>>> The other is, smarter usage.
>>>
>>> Use email headers intelligently: when a topic of conversation changes,
>>> revise the header accordingly, to make it easier for people to find the
>>> new topic. This is something I've gotten used to doing for work
>>> purposes. It's easy, it just takes a little thought, and thought is
>>> what differentiates live humans from dead ones.
>>>
>>> Keep voicemail messages concise so people can actually listen to the
>>> audio rather than depending on a surveillance-machine to transcribe to
>>> text. This also eliminates the potential for automated transcription
>>> errors and the hassles they cause. (Voicemail-to-email should deliver
>>> the actual audio clip to the recipient, so they can choose whether to
>>> dial up their mailbox in the regular way, or listen to their messages on
>>> their computer or other device. I can demonstrate this in actual use if
>>> anyone's interested.)
>>>
>>> Also for email: Specify priority in the header, e.g. say "urgent" or
>>> "routine," or whatever, and when receiving email, always read stuff
>>> that's marked for higher priority.
>>>
>>> Also for email: Say enough to make your meaning clear the first time.
>>> If someone has to write back to you to ask what you meant, you left
>>> stuff out. For example, "Let's get dinner after the meeting" is vague:
>>> which meeting, when? "Let's get dinner after the general meeting this
>>> Wednesday night" is specific enough to be clear the first time. Leaving
>>> stuff out imposes a burden on the other person: to write back and ask
>>> what you meant, and to hold up their time and attention waiting for a
>>> reply (it also imposes a burden on yourself to reply to their
>>> questions), and contributes to the "overload" factor.
>>>
>>> One of the key reasons people do dumb things in their personal
>>> communications (like not responding to voicemail and email) is because
>>> they're on chronic low-level overload. Part of this is due to dumb
>>> usage practices such as vagueness, that gnaw away at attention with
>>> needless back-and-forth. Part of it is because the oligarchy tries to
>>> keep us saturated with MEDIA (the oligarchy's messages and content) all
>>> the time, and very often we happily obey. When our heads are stuffed
>>> full of MEDIA, we don't have time or patience for ordinary communication
>>> from other people. The answer to this is, reduce the overload: _consume
>>> less media, make more room for the people in your life_. Also make
>>> more room for solitude and reflection, thinking and daydreaming, and
>>> "doing nothing" while your mental batteries recharge themselves.
>>>
>>>
>>> 3) The courage of our convictions: WE can build a new infrastructure
>>> if we choose.
>>>
>>> A new internet, new voice and data utilities, new software and apps, new
>>> hardware where needed.
>>>
>>> Robust, resilient, freedom and privacy enhanced, and at the same time
>>> safer from predators & parasites and more secure to run critical
>>> infrastructure such as the power grid.
>>>
>>> WE have the talent to do this. It will start small but if it's any good
>>> it will spread. We can create right-livelihood jobs doing it, that the
>>> oligarchy can't buy out later.
>>>
>>> Go back and read some of the early 1980s stuff about the electronic
>>> frontier, the open horizon of freedom and community, the vast promise of
>>> technology to liberate people in so many ways. What happened since that
>>> time was that the parasites & predators took over, to the point where
>>> the "technologies of freedom" became "the technologies of convenience"
>>> and thereby "the technologies of control."
>>>
>>> WE do not have to submit. WE can liberate the digital commons.
>>>
>>> -G.
>>>
>>>
>>> =====
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13-03-17-Sun 2:56 AM, Patrick Schmidt wrote:
>>>> Speaking about corporate cellphones where you cant take out the
>>>> battery and dont know who
>>>> controls the mic:
>>>>
>>>> Would be awesome if the Hacker Community finally comes up with Open
>>>> Hardware Mobile Phones and awesome Open Hardware Cameras.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2013/3/16, Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yo's-
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a big stinking skunk in the room, that everyone seems to miss,
>>>>> including a lot of people at SudoRoom and other hackerspaces:
>>>>>
>>>>> The biggest threat to freedom & privacy is not the government, law
>>>>> enforcement, the intelligence agencies, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> The biggest threat is the corporate sector. And many of us are
>>>>> willingly serving ourselves up to them on a silver platter, with
>>>>> condiments included, and dragging our friends into it with something
>>>>> less than fully informed consent.
>>>>>
>>>>> What government can do to you with the data they collect: Prosecute you
>>>>> for a crime or disappear you to Gitmo. Some day, though at present it's
>>>>> merely a paranoid fantasy, perhaps order a drone strike to shoot you on
>>>>> the street.
>>>>>
>>>>> What the private sector can do to you: Get you fired from your job,
>>>>> deny you the ability to get another job, or an apartment, a mortgage,
>>>>> health insurance, a bank account, or plain-vanilla consumer credit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which set of consequences is more likely to happen to you? Which set of
>>>>> consequences causes more fear today? Which set of consequences
>>>>> realistically makes you look over your shoulder?
>>>>>
>>>>> On a day-to-day basis, are Americans talking about their fear of going
>>>>> to prison, or about their fear of losing their jobs, losing their homes,
>>>>> losing their health coverage, etc.? Do you know anyone who has a kid?
>>>>> Ask them whether they're more afraid of going to prison or of losing
>>>>> their job and the roof over their head.
>>>>>
>>>>> Round-ups of dissidents make news. Political prosecutions make news.
>>>>> Suicides of young guys who were being aggressively prosecuted for
>>>>> hacking, make news.
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone getting fired (or not getting hired) because their boss found an
>>>>> "objectionable" comment by them somewhere online, or an embarrassing
>>>>> picture of them on Facebook, doesn't make the news.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as the media and public opinion are concerned, losing your job
>>>>> and losing the roof over your head don't make you a persecuted
>>>>> dissident, they make you a "loser." And when you rant about getting
>>>>> fired or denied an apartment because of your politics or your lifestyle,
>>>>> you're not just a "loser" but a "whiny loser."
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no more effective means of enforcing servile conformity than to
>>>>> offer mundane rewards and punishments, that individuals internalize.
>>>>> There is no more effective way to get people to comply, than to sell
>>>>> compliance as "convenience." As a science fiction character of mine
>>>>> said in the 80s, "Why put a person in prison, when you can put prison in
>>>>> the person?"
>>>>>
>>>>> But there's something even more insidious about this.
>>>>>
>>>>> It creates a culture of internalized compliance, conformity, and
>>>>> submission. A culture where dissent and nonconformity are "tolerated"
>>>>> (because overt repression would trigger more dissent), but where the
>>>>> vast majority does what is expected of them. A culture where today
>>>>> people say "privacy is obsolete" and "there is no more privacy," a
>>>>> culture that's one step away from "freedom is obsolete."
>>>>>
>>>>> The biggest risk is not that you'll personally be targeted, lose your
>>>>> job, and end up homeless. The biggest risk is that the culture as a
>>>>> whole won't give a fiddler's fig about those who are quietly
>>>>> dispossessed, because everyone is too busy falling in line to chase the
>>>>> latest consumer baubles, or to keep from being eaten by the latest
>>>>> economic alligators.
>>>>>
>>>>> Big Data is the feed-in to that system.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have any idea of the totality of tracking that's going on now?
>>>>> Keyword search "flash cookies" or go to http://www.eff.org and search
>>>>> their website for their write-ups about 'em. Look up "super cookies"
>>>>> and "LSOs" or "local stored objects" while you're at it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Depending on your operating system & browser, take a close look at the
>>>>> files & folders on your machine that store these things. Open the
>>>>> folders and watch what happens when you turn up the privacy settings on
>>>>> your browser, or click the options to clear your cache, cookies,
>>>>> browsing history, etc. What you'll see is that these f---ing bugs
>>>>> instantly regenerate themselves: like cockroaches they are almost
>>>>> impossible to kill off entirely.
>>>>>
>>>>> Using open-source OS & browsers doesn't fix this. You can write a
>>>>> custom script to route them to dev null and it won't stop them. They
>>>>> are designed to thwart your security measures and keep on sending data
>>>>> to their owners, no matter what you do. They are arguably a criminal
>>>>> violation of anti-hacking statutes because they circumvent security
>>>>> measures on machines, but so far nobody has raised a lawsuit about that
>>>>> (I have pestered the folks I know at EFF about this and will keep doing
>>>>> so, but their docket is pretty jammed as it is). "Privacy policies"
>>>>> that destroy privacy are arguably "contracts of adhesion" that are not
>>>>> enforceable. And yet....
>>>>>
>>>>> Everywhere you go online, everything you do online, is being collected
>>>>> with a degree of completeness that would cause you to crap your pants if
>>>>> you knew how far it goes.
>>>>>
>>>>> The ostensible goal is to sell advertising. But I have a question:
>>>>> what's the actual return on investment for that? How many goods &
>>>>> services are actually sold because advertisers can "target" you for
>>>>> "personalized" messages? How often have you bought something because
>>>>> you got a targeted ad? I'm willing to bet: not enough to justify the
>>>>> amount of money being spent on all the tracking, spying, and digital
>>>>> flashlights shoved up our collective colon.
>>>>>
>>>>> The purveyors of all this neo-surveillance are basically scamming the
>>>>> business world when they say it's "necessary" to "remain competitive"
>>>>> and all that nonsense. One could make the same claim for telemarketing,
>>>>> and the only ones who get rich on it are the telemarketers themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> So here's where fellow Sudoers and other friendly folks end up turning
>>>>> themselves into FOOD for Big Data, and dragging their friends into it
>>>>> with something less than informed consent:
>>>>>
>>>>> Facebook, Google, texting, and smartphones. And very soon, Verizon and
>>>>> other cable TV services, about which more some other time, keyphrase
>>>>> "watch you cuddle."
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of us here despise Facebook, except we'll give someone a pass for
>>>>> using it if they're a public or quasi-public figure who wants to use it
>>>>> for publicity purposes.
>>>>>
>>>>> But very very many of us here use Gmail addresses and Google Voice
>>>>> telephone numbers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Google is the paradigm case of Big Data. Even NSA is envious of Google,
>>>>> and NSA recently adopted a Google database system for use in their new
>>>>> facility in Utah.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you use GMail or Google Voice, you are being subjected to the same
>>>>> kind of keyword-recognition collection & analysis system that NSA uses
>>>>> for intercepting overseas traffic. The difference is that you don't get
>>>>> to vote for their boss every four years.
>>>>>
>>>>> When the only way to reach someone by email is at their GMail address,
>>>>> and the only way to reach them by phone is by calling their Google Voice
>>>>> number, they are effectively saying to their friends: "If you want to
>>>>> write to me or talk to me, you have to submit to intensive
>>>>> surveillance." If you value the friendship, you submit. Or you say
>>>>> nothing on the phone and nothing in email, other than "let's meet in
>>>>> person." Thereby throwing away all the potential value of over a
>>>>> century of communications technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> What Ithiel de Sola Pool called "technologies of freedom" in 1983, have
>>>>> become technologies of control that rival _1984_. As Winston Smith said
>>>>> to O'Brien, when O'Brien switched off the telescreen in his apartment,
>>>>> "You can turn it off!", and O'Brien replied, "We can turn it off. We
>>>>> have that privilege." Try taking the battery out of an iPhone. Try
>>>>> taking the battery out of the forthcoming, and ironically named,
>>>>> "iWatch." They watch. You can't turn it off. Interesting, that. So
>>>>> when you hang out with someone who's carrying an iPhone, wearing an
>>>>> iWatch, or worst of all Google Goggles, once again, you're submitting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Facebook is a surveillance machine. Google is a surveillance machine.
>>>>> Twitter is not only a surveillance machine, it was designed as an
>>>>> intelligence collection platform. I know someone who developed intel
>>>>> collection & analysis software for use on Twitter. I'll tell that story
>>>>> in person. "Texting" in general, like Twitter, is an intel collection
>>>>> platform. And "smartphones" are surveillance devices you carry around
>>>>> with you. Do you really trust software you can't inspect?, that
>>>>> controls a camera, a microphone, and a GPS tracker, that you carry
>>>>> everywhere you go?
>>>>>
>>>>> There used to be a pretty strong cultural attitude among geeks, hackers,
>>>>> etc., that using AOL for email, was for losers. Cool People didn't go
>>>>> anywhere near AOL.
>>>>>
>>>>> AOL's big sin was censorship. They tried to "moderate" their little
>>>>> corner of cyberspace. In the end they failed, and at this point (I had
>>>>> to check that they still exist at all) they are nothing more than
>>>>> another dumb "aggregator" page.
>>>>>
>>>>> But make no mistake about this: Surveillance IS censorship.
>>>>>
>>>>> When people are being watched, they behave differently. They submit,
>>>>> they conform, they comply.
>>>>>
>>>>> And in the end, "convenience" is a dumb-ass excuse for compliance.
>>>>>
>>>>> -G.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:05:24 -0700
>>> From: Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: revphil <revphil at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: nymrights <nymrights at lists.idcommons.net>, sudo-discuss
>>> <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>, Eddan Katz <eddan at eddan.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Freedom of name: Skunk topics: not lazy,
>>> exhausted.
>>> Message-ID: <51467664.7010108 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yo's -
>>>
>>> (Thanks Revphil)
>>>
>>> First, quickly: mobile security: black tape & a ziploc bag aren't
>>> sufficient.
>>>
>>> For one thing, they don't stop the GPS device from stalking you wherever
>>> you go. For another, you'd be surprised how easy it is to recover audio
>>> even through a plastic bag or a layer of clothing. or example San
>>> Francisco's MUNI buses all have audio & video recording, and they can
>>> pinpoint desired conversations even on a noisy bus. This I know from
>>> having read the manufacturer's specs. Better tech is needed, see my
>>> preceding email.
>>>
>>> Second, re. "I am lazy and I have given up." No, you're not lazy.
>>>
>>> You're probably just exhausted, probably on chronic low-level overload
>>> most of the time. And like the movie character trying to outrun the
>>> monster, who finally says to his/her companions, "I can't keep up, just
>>> go on without me...", exhaustion looks like "giving up."
>>>
>>> How much sleep does each of us get every night? Anything less than
>>> seven hours each night, and we're sleep deprived, running on empty, and
>>> cognitively impaired in comparison to when we get enough sleep. Sleep
>>> dep is pandemic in our society: most Americans are getting less than
>>> 6-1/2 hours a night, racking up a chronic sleep deficit, health impacts,
>>> and cognitive impacts.
>>>
>>> Notice all the ads for new mattresses? They try to get people to
>>> believe that buying an expensive mattress will give them "a better
>>> night's sleep". That's BS of course, but it's also an example of how
>>> the economy feeds off misery. Overwork, media overload, every waking
>>> minute filled up doing something that _makes money for someone else_,
>>> gradually turn us into sheep, cows, and pigs, lined up to be fleeced,
>>> milked, and porked.
>>>
>>> And to keep feeding the Growth Gods, those waking hours have to be
>>> stretched and extended and colonized further. It's no surprise that one
>>> of the Shiny Things on the near horizon is a pill to do away with the
>>> need for sleep altogether. In the end it'll have nasty side-effects,
>>> but it will create ever more opportunities to be kept busy at work and
>>> busy consuming, and the side-effects will create more opportunities to
>>> sell more stuff to the New Zombies.
>>>
>>> What to do about that:
>>>
>>> Take back your time. Don't feed the parasites & predators, even if they
>>> give you a pleasant little buzz for doing so. Think of the time people
>>> spend on Facebook or playing Angry Birds or whatever, or chasing the
>>> latest media download. Most of us have a bunch of little time-wasters
>>> that add up, that we can overthrow and throw out. Consuming less is an
>>> act of revolt against the oligarchy, and an act of self-empowerment.
>>>
>>> Consume less, sleep more. Make it a point to get at least seven hours a
>>> night, every night. Your brain will perk up, you'll get your work done
>>> more efficiently, and you'll have more time for whatever you choose.
>>>
>>> Solidarity is a better buzz than media. Solidarity is empowerment.
>>> This is the biggest strength of hackerspaces: getting a bunch of smart
>>> clever nonconformists and dissidents together in one place. The next
>>> step comes when stuff we build gets out there to the world and starts
>>> changing lives.
>>>
>>> Solitude is good for solidarity. Time alone to just sit & think is
>>> incredibly valuable. It's the way you de-colonize your headspace.
>>> People are usually more creative than they give themselves credit for.
>>> Solitude and solidarity foster creativity.
>>>
>>> The sheer joy of solidarity, solitude, and creativity, is better than
>>> anything the oligarchy can offer us in exchange for submission. It's
>>> the the best high there is, it's subversive as hell, it's sustainable,
>>> and it gives you back the energy to outrun the monsters and ultimately
>>> to defeat them.
>>>
>>> -G.
>>>
>>>
>>> =====
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13-03-17-Sun 1:44 PM, revphil wrote:
>>>> Thanks for the essay! I didn't expect to read it to the end but your
>>>> rant was right on target.
>>>>
>>>> I went to the EFF's presentation at NoiseBridge yesterday and tho I
>>>> might have personally benefited more from learning about 3d Printers I
>>>> feel slightly pissed at myself for my level of security. I am lazy and
>>>> I have given up; I dont believe that the powers that be have anything
>>>> to gain by listening or altering my messages.
>>>>
>>>> Winston Smiths aren't we all.
>>>>
>>>> rev
>>>>
>>>> ps iPhone mobile security? like a piece of black tape and a zip lock bag?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Patrick Schmidt
>>>> <psbschmidt at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Speaking about corporate cellphones where you cant take out the
>>>>> battery and dont know who
>>>>> controls the mic:
>>>>>
>>>>> Would be awesome if the Hacker Community finally comes up with Open
>>>>> Hardware Mobile Phones and awesome Open Hardware Cameras.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2013/3/16, Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yo's-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a big stinking skunk in the room, that everyone seems to miss,
>>>>>> including a lot of people at SudoRoom and other hackerspaces:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The biggest threat to freedom & privacy is not the government, law
>>>>>> enforcement, the intelligence agencies, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The biggest threat is the corporate sector. And many of us are
>>>>>> willingly serving ourselves up to them on a silver platter, with
>>>>>> condiments included, and dragging our friends into it with something
>>>>>> less than fully informed consent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What government can do to you with the data they collect: Prosecute you
>>>>>> for a crime or disappear you to Gitmo. Some day, though at present it's
>>>>>> merely a paranoid fantasy, perhaps order a drone strike to shoot you on
>>>>>> the street.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What the private sector can do to you: Get you fired from your job,
>>>>>> deny you the ability to get another job, or an apartment, a mortgage,
>>>>>> health insurance, a bank account, or plain-vanilla consumer credit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which set of consequences is more likely to happen to you? Which set of
>>>>>> consequences causes more fear today? Which set of consequences
>>>>>> realistically makes you look over your shoulder?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On a day-to-day basis, are Americans talking about their fear of going
>>>>>> to prison, or about their fear of losing their jobs, losing their homes,
>>>>>> losing their health coverage, etc.? Do you know anyone who has a kid?
>>>>>> Ask them whether they're more afraid of going to prison or of losing
>>>>>> their job and the roof over their head.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Round-ups of dissidents make news. Political prosecutions make news.
>>>>>> Suicides of young guys who were being aggressively prosecuted for
>>>>>> hacking, make news.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone getting fired (or not getting hired) because their boss found an
>>>>>> "objectionable" comment by them somewhere online, or an embarrassing
>>>>>> picture of them on Facebook, doesn't make the news.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as the media and public opinion are concerned, losing your job
>>>>>> and losing the roof over your head don't make you a persecuted
>>>>>> dissident, they make you a "loser." And when you rant about getting
>>>>>> fired or denied an apartment because of your politics or your lifestyle,
>>>>>> you're not just a "loser" but a "whiny loser."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no more effective means of enforcing servile conformity than to
>>>>>> offer mundane rewards and punishments, that individuals internalize.
>>>>>> There is no more effective way to get people to comply, than to sell
>>>>>> compliance as "convenience." As a science fiction character of mine
>>>>>> said in the 80s, "Why put a person in prison, when you can put prison in
>>>>>> the person?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But there's something even more insidious about this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It creates a culture of internalized compliance, conformity, and
>>>>>> submission. A culture where dissent and nonconformity are "tolerated"
>>>>>> (because overt repression would trigger more dissent), but where the
>>>>>> vast majority does what is expected of them. A culture where today
>>>>>> people say "privacy is obsolete" and "there is no more privacy," a
>>>>>> culture that's one step away from "freedom is obsolete."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The biggest risk is not that you'll personally be targeted, lose your
>>>>>> job, and end up homeless. The biggest risk is that the culture as a
>>>>>> whole won't give a fiddler's fig about those who are quietly
>>>>>> dispossessed, because everyone is too busy falling in line to chase the
>>>>>> latest consumer baubles, or to keep from being eaten by the latest
>>>>>> economic alligators.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Big Data is the feed-in to that system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you have any idea of the totality of tracking that's going on now?
>>>>>> Keyword search "flash cookies" or go to http://www.eff.org and search
>>>>>> their website for their write-ups about 'em. Look up "super cookies"
>>>>>> and "LSOs" or "local stored objects" while you're at it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Depending on your operating system & browser, take a close look at the
>>>>>> files & folders on your machine that store these things. Open the
>>>>>> folders and watch what happens when you turn up the privacy settings on
>>>>>> your browser, or click the options to clear your cache, cookies,
>>>>>> browsing history, etc. What you'll see is that these f---ing bugs
>>>>>> instantly regenerate themselves: like cockroaches they are almost
>>>>>> impossible to kill off entirely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Using open-source OS & browsers doesn't fix this. You can write a
>>>>>> custom script to route them to dev null and it won't stop them. They
>>>>>> are designed to thwart your security measures and keep on sending data
>>>>>> to their owners, no matter what you do. They are arguably a criminal
>>>>>> violation of anti-hacking statutes because they circumvent security
>>>>>> measures on machines, but so far nobody has raised a lawsuit about that
>>>>>> (I have pestered the folks I know at EFF about this and will keep doing
>>>>>> so, but their docket is pretty jammed as it is). "Privacy policies"
>>>>>> that destroy privacy are arguably "contracts of adhesion" that are not
>>>>>> enforceable. And yet....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everywhere you go online, everything you do online, is being collected
>>>>>> with a degree of completeness that would cause you to crap your pants if
>>>>>> you knew how far it goes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ostensible goal is to sell advertising. But I have a question:
>>>>>> what's the actual return on investment for that? How many goods &
>>>>>> services are actually sold because advertisers can "target" you for
>>>>>> "personalized" messages? How often have you bought something because
>>>>>> you got a targeted ad? I'm willing to bet: not enough to justify the
>>>>>> amount of money being spent on all the tracking, spying, and digital
>>>>>> flashlights shoved up our collective colon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The purveyors of all this neo-surveillance are basically scamming the
>>>>>> business world when they say it's "necessary" to "remain competitive"
>>>>>> and all that nonsense. One could make the same claim for telemarketing,
>>>>>> and the only ones who get rich on it are the telemarketers themselves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So here's where fellow Sudoers and other friendly folks end up turning
>>>>>> themselves into FOOD for Big Data, and dragging their friends into it
>>>>>> with something less than informed consent:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Facebook, Google, texting, and smartphones. And very soon, Verizon and
>>>>>> other cable TV services, about which more some other time, keyphrase
>>>>>> "watch you cuddle."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most of us here despise Facebook, except we'll give someone a pass for
>>>>>> using it if they're a public or quasi-public figure who wants to use it
>>>>>> for publicity purposes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But very very many of us here use Gmail addresses and Google Voice
>>>>>> telephone numbers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Google is the paradigm case of Big Data. Even NSA is envious of Google,
>>>>>> and NSA recently adopted a Google database system for use in their new
>>>>>> facility in Utah.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you use GMail or Google Voice, you are being subjected to the same
>>>>>> kind of keyword-recognition collection & analysis system that NSA uses
>>>>>> for intercepting overseas traffic. The difference is that you don't get
>>>>>> to vote for their boss every four years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When the only way to reach someone by email is at their GMail address,
>>>>>> and the only way to reach them by phone is by calling their Google Voice
>>>>>> number, they are effectively saying to their friends: "If you want to
>>>>>> write to me or talk to me, you have to submit to intensive
>>>>>> surveillance." If you value the friendship, you submit. Or you say
>>>>>> nothing on the phone and nothing in email, other than "let's meet in
>>>>>> person." Thereby throwing away all the potential value of over a
>>>>>> century of communications technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What Ithiel de Sola Pool called "technologies of freedom" in 1983, have
>>>>>> become technologies of control that rival _1984_. As Winston Smith said
>>>>>> to O'Brien, when O'Brien switched off the telescreen in his apartment,
>>>>>> "You can turn it off!", and O'Brien replied, "We can turn it off. We
>>>>>> have that privilege." Try taking the battery out of an iPhone. Try
>>>>>> taking the battery out of the forthcoming, and ironically named,
>>>>>> "iWatch." They watch. You can't turn it off. Interesting, that. So
>>>>>> when you hang out with someone who's carrying an iPhone, wearing an
>>>>>> iWatch, or worst of all Google Goggles, once again, you're submitting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Facebook is a surveillance machine. Google is a surveillance machine.
>>>>>> Twitter is not only a surveillance machine, it was designed as an
>>>>>> intelligence collection platform. I know someone who developed intel
>>>>>> collection & analysis software for use on Twitter. I'll tell that story
>>>>>> in person. "Texting" in general, like Twitter, is an intel collection
>>>>>> platform. And "smartphones" are surveillance devices you carry around
>>>>>> with you. Do you really trust software you can't inspect?, that
>>>>>> controls a camera, a microphone, and a GPS tracker, that you carry
>>>>>> everywhere you go?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There used to be a pretty strong cultural attitude among geeks, hackers,
>>>>>> etc., that using AOL for email, was for losers. Cool People didn't go
>>>>>> anywhere near AOL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AOL's big sin was censorship. They tried to "moderate" their little
>>>>>> corner of cyberspace. In the end they failed, and at this point (I had
>>>>>> to check that they still exist at all) they are nothing more than
>>>>>> another dumb "aggregator" page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But make no mistake about this: Surveillance IS censorship.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When people are being watched, they behave differently. They submit,
>>>>>> they conform, they comply.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And in the end, "convenience" is a dumb-ass excuse for compliance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -G.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>>>>>> sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org
>>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org
>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:57:51 -0700
>>> From: Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com>
>>> To: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>>> Subject: [sudo-discuss] DOOR ACCESS HACKING!
>>> Message-ID:
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>>>
>>> Hey All,
>>>
>>> sorry for YELLING, but this is critical to sudo room's continued operation.
>>> I will be around Monday and Tuesday evening to hack on door access mainly
>>> to install the keypad and get the raspi in a more stable state, even if
>>> that means having it restart every 20 minutes.
>>>
>>> If I have to climb up the elevator shaft my self with an ethernet cable I
>>> will. Lets get this fixed.
>>>
>>> Hack The Planet.
>>>
>>> --Andrew
>>>
>>> --
>>> -------
>>> Andrew Lowe
>>> Cell: 831-332-2507
>>> http://roshambomedia.com
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>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:06:10 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: "Violet Crawley, Dowager Countess of Grantham"
>>> <violet.crawlee at yahoo.com>
>>> To: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] DOOR ACCESS HACKING!
>>> Message-ID:
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>>>
>>> Can we set up a system of redundant Raspberry PIs? ?This is known as "being highly available".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com>
>>> To: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:57 PM
>>> Subject: [sudo-discuss] DOOR ACCESS HACKING!
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey All,
>>>
>>> sorry for YELLING, but this is critical to sudo room's continued operation. I will be around Monday and Tuesday evening to hack on door?access mainly to?install the keypad and get the raspi in a more stable state, even if that means having it restart every 20 minutes.
>>>
>>> If I have to climb up the elevator shaft my self with an ethernet cable I will. Lets get this fixed.
>>>
>>> Hack The Planet.
>>>
>>> --Andrew
>>>
>>> --
>>> -------
>>> Andrew Lowe
>>> Cell: 831-332-2507
>>> http://roshambomedia.com
>>>
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>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:24:07 -0700
>>> From: Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com>
>>> Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] DOOR ACCESS HACKING!
>>> Message-ID: <514688D7.1000902 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>>
>>> Yo Andrew-
>>>
>>> I have a box of Cat 5 if this helps any, and my usual telco tool-set.
>>> There shouldn't be a need to get into the elevator shaft. Darn if I
>>> can't remember where I put my long drill-bits, but it's been a while
>>> since I've been on the cable crew.
>>>
>>> YES we need a means of access to the space that requires that people
>>> have nothing more than a human body with a brain to remember the code
>>> and fingers or equivalent to enter it.
>>>
>>> -G.
>>>
>>>
>>> =====
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13-03-17-Sun 7:57 PM, Andrew wrote:
>>>> Hey All,
>>>>
>>>> sorry for YELLING, but this is critical to sudo room's continued
>>>> operation. I will be around Monday and Tuesday evening to hack on
>>>> door access mainly to install the keypad and get the raspi in a more
>>>> stable state, even if that means having it restart every 20 minutes.
>>>>
>>>> If I have to climb up the elevator shaft my self with an ethernet
>>>> cable I will. Lets get this fixed.
>>>>
>>>> Hack The Planet.
>>>>
>>>> --Andrew
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> -------
>>>> Andrew Lowe
>>>> Cell: 831-332-2507
>>>> http://roshambomedia.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org
>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
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>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 23:01:59 -0700
>>> From: Yardena Cohen <yardenack at gmail.com>
>>> To: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] DOOR ACCESS HACKING!
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <CAEi7jy1PXRhNbht60bV5DP4=fae2Pi_ZPYwv9oOk3ixgFk0eDA at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>
>>>> On 13-03-17-Sun 7:57 PM, Andrew wrote:
>>>> sorry for YELLING, but this is critical to sudo room's continued operation.
>>>> I will be around Monday and Tuesday evening to hack on door access mainly to
>>>> install the keypad and get the raspi in a more stable state, even if that
>>>> means having it restart every 20 minutes.
>>>
>>> I just spent some time updating all the software, fixing some
>>> networking issues, and disabling services on the raspi in question. It
>>> had a full X server + desktop environment booting by default, even
>>> with no display attached! So I disabled all that and now the memory
>>> usage is much lower. I suspect the "OOM killer" was causing these
>>> problems, which fits our experience of features/services dropping one
>>> by one until nothing worked at all - first captive DNS would go away,
>>> then web server would go away, then dhcpd would go away...
>>>
>>> It works now. Maybe this time it will work a few hours later. :)
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:52:32 -0700
>>> From: netdiva <netdiva at sonic.net>
>>> To: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] DOOR ACCESS HACKING!
>>> Message-ID: <51476270.9090004 at sonic.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Question; if someone wants to get into sudoroom this afternoon, whats the best way to do that?
>>>
>>> On 3/17/2013 11:01 PM, Yardena Cohen wrote:
>>>>> On 13-03-17-Sun 7:57 PM, Andrew wrote:
>>>>> sorry for YELLING, but this is critical to sudo room's continued operation.
>>>>> I will be around Monday and Tuesday evening to hack on door access mainly to
>>>>> install the keypad and get the raspi in a more stable state, even if that
>>>>> means having it restart every 20 minutes.
>>>>
>>>> I just spent some time updating all the software, fixing some
>>>> networking issues, and disabling services on the raspi in question. It
>>>> had a full X server + desktop environment booting by default, even
>>>> with no display attached! So I disabled all that and now the memory
>>>> usage is much lower. I suspect the "OOM killer" was causing these
>>>> problems, which fits our experience of features/services dropping one
>>>> by one until nothing worked at all - first captive DNS would go away,
>>>> then web server would go away, then dhcpd would go away...
>>>>
>>>> It works now. Maybe this time it will work a few hours later. :)
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>>>> sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org
>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:59:09 -0700
>>> From: Max Klein <isalix at gmail.com>
>>> To: sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org, spaghettinight at tentacle.net
>>> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Free month of pre-paid GSM phone service.
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <CAKbmofhvQUL+WV92wwtZYsatZNU=QgG2FgsOaOketGxEMxB=Ag at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> I just accidentally activated a prepaid SIM card in the wrong way (not
>>> transferring my phone number, but requesting a new one), which is
>>> irreversible.
>>>
>>> I won't use it.
>>>
>>> You can have it.
>>>
>>> You'll need an unlocked mobile phone. It's Simple Mobile (T-Mobile
>>> Network). It includes unlimited HSPA+ data.
>>>
>>> Email me if you want it.
>>>
>>> Max
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>>> Message: 10
>>> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:27:04 -0700
>>> From: Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com>
>>> To: netdiva <netdiva at sonic.net>
>>> Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] DOOR ACCESS HACKING!
>>> Message-ID:
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> Anon195714 : a spool of cat 5 would be great. Do you have a chrimper and
>>> some ends for it?
>>>
>>> *netdiva : *I would send an email to the list in a new thread asking if
>>> anyone will be around. I'll be around this evening (around 6pm and on) and
>>> I have keys . But if anyone else will be there they can let you in via the
>>> intercom.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:52 AM, netdiva <netdiva at sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Question; if someone wants to get into sudoroom this afternoon, whats the
>>>> best way to do that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/17/2013 11:01 PM, Yardena Cohen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 13-03-17-Sun 7:57 PM, Andrew wrote:
>>>>>> sorry for YELLING, but this is critical to sudo room's continued
>>>>>> operation.
>>>>>> I will be around Monday and Tuesday evening to hack on door access
>>>>>> mainly to
>>>>>> install the keypad and get the raspi in a more stable state, even if that
>>>>>> means having it restart every 20 minutes.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just spent some time updating all the software, fixing some
>>>>> networking issues, and disabling services on the raspi in question. It
>>>>> had a full X server + desktop environment booting by default, even
>>>>> with no display attached! So I disabled all that and now the memory
>>>>> usage is much lower. I suspect the "OOM killer" was causing these
>>>>> problems, which fits our experience of features/services dropping one
>>>>> by one until nothing worked at all - first captive DNS would go away,
>>>>> then web server would go away, then dhcpd would go away...
>>>>>
>>>>> It works now. Maybe this time it will work a few hours later. :)
>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>>>>> sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.**org <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/**listinfo/sudo-discuss<http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss>
>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list
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>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/**listinfo/sudo-discuss<http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Cell: 831-332-2507
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>>> Message: 11
>>> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:31:22 -0700
>>> From: rachel lyra hospodar <rachelyra at gmail.com>
>>> To: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>>> Subject: [sudo-discuss] sudo ing
>>> Message-ID: <514787AA.4090703 at gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>
>>> hi all
>>>
>>> through an elaborate series of hacks, other rachel and i have gained
>>> access to sudo room and are here hacking on our luminescent jackets. We
>>> will be here for several hours if anyone wants to get in; email me!
>>>
>>> R.
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 12
>>> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:33:26 -0700
>>> From: rachel lyra hospodar <rachelyra at gmail.com>
>>> To: Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com>
>>> Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] DOOR ACCESS HACKING!
>>> Message-ID: <51478826.5000003 at gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>
>>> if anon195714 doesnt have a crimper or ends I can bring my extra crimper
>>> and some ends in the next few days; let me know, because i don't use
>>> them often and will have to dig them up.
>>>
>>> On 3/18/2013 12:27 PM, Andrew wrote:
>>>> Anon195714 : a spool of cat 5 would be great. Do you have a chrimper and
>>>> some ends for it?
>>>>
>>>> *netdiva : *I would send an email to the list in a new thread asking if
>>>> anyone will be around. I'll be around this evening (around 6pm and on)
>>>> and I have keys . But if anyone else will be there they can let you in
>>>> via the intercom.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:52 AM, netdiva <netdiva at sonic.net
>>>> <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Question; if someone wants to get into sudoroom this afternoon,
>>>> whats the best way to do that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/17/2013 11:01 PM, Yardena Cohen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 13-03-17-Sun 7:57 PM, Andrew wrote:
>>>> sorry for YELLING, but this is critical to sudo room's
>>>> continued operation.
>>>> I will be around Monday and Tuesday evening to hack on door
>>>> access mainly to
>>>> install the keypad and get the raspi in a more stable state,
>>>> even if that
>>>> means having it restart every 20 minutes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just spent some time updating all the software, fixing some
>>>> networking issues, and disabling services on the raspi in
>>>> question. It
>>>> had a full X server + desktop environment booting by default, even
>>>> with no display attached! So I disabled all that and now the memory
>>>> usage is much lower. I suspect the "OOM killer" was causing these
>>>> problems, which fits our experience of features/services
>>>> dropping one
>>>> by one until nothing worked at all - first captive DNS would go
>>>> away,
>>>> then web server would go away, then dhcpd would go away...
>>>>
>>>> It works now. Maybe this time it will work a few hours later. :)
>>>> _________________________________________________
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 13
>>> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:47:52 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: hol at gaskill.com
>>> To: rachelyra at gmail.com
>>> Cc: sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org
>>> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Cat5 materials + rackmount cases
>>> Message-ID: <1736837722.235201.1363643272355.JavaMail.mail at webmail04>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>
>>> We have some cat5 in the storage hallway, all the way toward the back on the right hand side, not sure what all but looks like a few parts.
>>>
>>> Also, completely unrelated, if anybody has network/audio rackmount gear that they transport around alot or would like to keep on a vehicle, I came across this ad for 2 shock/vibration-protected cube enclosures for 80 bucks:
>>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/for/3686265643.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Mar 18, 2013 02:33:31 PM, rachelyra at gmail.com wrote:
>>> if anon195714 doesnt have a crimper or ends I can bring my extra crimper
>>>> and some ends in the next few days; let me know, because i don't use
>>>> them often and will have to dig them up.
>>>>
>>>> On 3/18/2013 12:27 PM, Andrew wrote:
>>>>> Anon195714 : a spool of cat 5 would be great. Do you have a chrimper and
>>>>> some ends for it?
>>>>>
>>>>> *netdiva : *I would send an email to the list in a new thread asking if
>>>>> anyone will be around. I'll be around this evening (around 6pm and on)
>>>>> and I have keys . But if anyone else will be there they can let you in
>>>>> via the intercom.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:52 AM, netdiva netdiva at sonic.net
>>>>> mailto:netdiva at sonic.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Question; if someone wants to get into sudoroom this afternoon,
>>>>> whats the best way to do that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/17/2013 11:01 PM, Yardena Cohen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 13-03-17-Sun 7:57 PM, Andrew wrote:
>>>>> sorry for YELLING, but this is critical to sudo room's
>>>>> continued operation.
>>>>> I will be around Monday and Tuesday evening to hack on door
>>>>> access mainly to
>>>>> install the keypad and get the raspi in a more stable state,
>>>>> even if that
>>>>> means having it restart every 20 minutes.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I just spent some time updating all the software, fixing some
>>>>> networking issues, and disabling services on the raspi in
>>>>> question. It
>>>>> had a full X server + desktop environment booting by default, even
>>>>> with no display attached! So I disabled all that and now the memory
>>>>> usage is much lower. I suspect the "OOM killer" was causing these
>>>>> problems, which fits our experience of features/services
>>>>> dropping one
>>>>> by one until nothing worked at all - first captive DNS would go
>>>>> away,
>>>>> then web server would go away, then dhcpd would go away...
>>>>>
>>>>> It works now. Maybe this time it will work a few hours later. :)
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> Cell: 831-332-2507
>>>>> http://roshambomedia.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 14
>>> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:00:00 -0700
>>> From: Patrick Schmidt <psbschmidt at googlemail.com>
>>> To: "sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org"
>>> <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>>> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Spiritual analysis of last weeks Meeting
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>>> Dear Sudoers,
>>>
>>> what happened last week again?
>>>
>>> Everybody was excited, we had a birthday, we had awesome food and
>>> awesome people.
>>> As hackers we come to share what we are passionate about, get
>>> inspired, plan new projects,
>>> and are excellent to each other, work together on things at Sudo and
>>> plan awesome activities.
>>>
>>> But than a big rupture. A new ever returning topic comes to the agenda,
>>> the whole energy of the room fades away.
>>>
>>> The looks of the faces of the people all say the same:
>>> lets get as quickly over this point as possible.
>>>
>>> But we had to go through this for one hour, an EGO driven conversation starts.
>>>
>>> Its about regulating, rules, hypotheticals, bureaucracy, installing
>>> special sudo functions almost like police.
>>>
>>> we were arguing an hour over some trivial wording.
>>>
>>> is this really the way we want to go?
>>>
>>> Not being able to solve problems in the moment at the meetings?
>>> Or to keep the positive energy going at the meetings?
>>> Paralyzing ourselved for one hour again instead of sharing?
>>>
>>> Do we really want to loose somuch time about wording of a document
>>> which is only read
>>> by the people who wrote the document?
>>>
>>> We all enjoy coming to sudoroom. For a growing and thriving community
>>> it should be easy
>>> to tell friends about it, invite people and say "just be excellent to
>>> each other and check it out",
>>> nobody will read any commendments or laws before coming.
>>>
>>> But what would new people see at the meetings? the same uninviting
>>> left brain driven discussions we see in politics and law...
>>>
>>> Do we really want to be ruled by a police system again within our
>>> newborn community?
>>>
>>> We are all one, one community, one people, one tribe.
>>>
>>> Dont get me wrong, I dont want to blame, accuse or criticize anybody.
>>>
>>> I want to put awareness of what the Eg wants:
>>>
>>> The EGO seperates itself from all the others. The EGO wants to hang on
>>> to the old system
>>> of ruling, devide and conquer. The EGO is afraid of a world of the 'WE"
>>>
>>> We have to get over the stage of EGO driven tactics to create a truely
>>> free community.
>>>
>>> So what can we do about it?
>>>
>>> we have to show a lot of love towards the EGO driven minds. Hold em
>>> tight, say we love em, and that we appreciate their effort for the
>>> community.
>>> After all (lets hope) they have good intentions.
>>> But we also have to make it clear that we dont need all these
>>> regulations and the seperation from the rest of the world.
>>>
>>> we are one big family, and only if we accept this we can build a better future.
>>>
>>> just my personal feelings,
>>> p.
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 15
>>> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:39:00 -0700
>>> From: aestetix <aestetix at aestetix.com>
>>> To: Patrick Schmidt <psbschmidt at googlemail.com>
>>> Cc: "sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org"
>>> <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Spiritual analysis of last weeks Meeting
>>> Message-ID: <51479784.4060309 at aestetix.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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>>> Leggo my eggo :)
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-Yq1I8gIA0
>>>
>>> On 3/18/13 3:00 PM, Patrick Schmidt wrote:
>>>> Dear Sudoers,
>>>>
>>>> what happened last week again?
>>>>
>>>> Everybody was excited, we had a birthday, we had awesome food and
>>>> awesome people. As hackers we come to share what we are passionate
>>>> about, get inspired, plan new projects, and are excellent to each
>>>> other, work together on things at Sudo and plan awesome
>>>> activities.
>>>>
>>>> But than a big rupture. A new ever returning topic comes to the
>>>> agenda, the whole energy of the room fades away.
>>>>
>>>> The looks of the faces of the people all say the same: lets get as
>>>> quickly over this point as possible.
>>>>
>>>> But we had to go through this for one hour, an EGO driven
>>>> conversation starts.
>>>>
>>>> Its about regulating, rules, hypotheticals, bureaucracy,
>>>> installing special sudo functions almost like police.
>>>>
>>>> we were arguing an hour over some trivial wording.
>>>>
>>>> is this really the way we want to go?
>>>>
>>>> Not being able to solve problems in the moment at the meetings? Or
>>>> to keep the positive energy going at the meetings? Paralyzing
>>>> ourselved for one hour again instead of sharing?
>>>>
>>>> Do we really want to loose somuch time about wording of a document
>>>> which is only read by the people who wrote the document?
>>>>
>>>> We all enjoy coming to sudoroom. For a growing and thriving
>>>> community it should be easy to tell friends about it, invite people
>>>> and say "just be excellent to each other and check it out", nobody
>>>> will read any commendments or laws before coming.
>>>>
>>>> But what would new people see at the meetings? the same uninviting
>>>> left brain driven discussions we see in politics and law...
>>>>
>>>> Do we really want to be ruled by a police system again within our
>>>> newborn community?
>>>>
>>>> We are all one, one community, one people, one tribe.
>>>>
>>>> Dont get me wrong, I dont want to blame, accuse or criticize
>>>> anybody.
>>>>
>>>> I want to put awareness of what the Eg wants:
>>>>
>>>> The EGO seperates itself from all the others. The EGO wants to hang
>>>> on to the old system of ruling, devide and conquer. The EGO is
>>>> afraid of a world of the 'WE"
>>>>
>>>> We have to get over the stage of EGO driven tactics to create a
>>>> truely free community.
>>>>
>>>> So what can we do about it?
>>>>
>>>> we have to show a lot of love towards the EGO driven minds. Hold
>>>> em tight, say we love em, and that we appreciate their effort for
>>>> the community. After all (lets hope) they have good intentions. But
>>>> we also have to make it clear that we dont need all these
>>>> regulations and the seperation from the rest of the world.
>>>>
>>>> we are one big family, and only if we accept this we can build a
>>>> better future.
>>>>
>>>> just my personal feelings, p.
>>>> _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss
>>>> mailing list sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org
>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 16
>>> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:39:17 -0700
>>> From: Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: Patrick Schmidt <psbschmidt at googlemail.com>
>>> Cc: "sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org"
>>> <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Spiritual analysis of last weeks Meeting
>>> Message-ID: <5147B3B5.40202 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>>
>>> Yo's-
>>>
>>> Re. what happened:
>>>
>>> For the most part we're coming from geek/nerd/hacker culture, which is
>>> inspired by building stuff that makes peoples' lives better, and ideally
>>> that changes society in positive ways.
>>>
>>> Geeks/nerds/hackers, don't generally enjoy dealing with political &
>>> administrative detail-work. So when the time comes to do that kind of
>>> stuff, it feels like "doing chores," and of course that brings down the
>>> energy level a bit.
>>>
>>> Though, in any social group, there are always some people who _do_ enjoy
>>> doing political & administrative work. More so in any group that is
>>> engaged at any level with social & political issues, which we are, by
>>> nature of the kinds of projects we're working on.
>>>
>>> The nature of "building stuff" is "convergent," in the sense that, given
>>> a technical problem, there are convergent solutions that are empirically
>>> correct, and there are other possible outcomes that are not. So while
>>> there may be some debate about _which_ correct solution to use, in the
>>> end there's convergence around something that actually works.
>>>
>>> The nature of political and administrative decisions, is "divergent," in
>>> the sense that there is not a range of "right answers" that can be
>>> discovered empirically and everyone can agree on. Instead, the answers
>>> that appear right to each person, depend on where each person is coming
>>> from ideologically and philosophically.
>>>
>>> So far we appear to cover a pretty diverse range, from liberal to
>>> vaguely socialist to left-libertarian to anarchist
>>> (left-very-libertarian;-). Some might even debate whether those words
>>> are the right words to use or whether they cover the whole range.
>>> Within each of those and many other shades of belief, there are ranges
>>> of "right solutions," but between ideologies & philosophies, there's
>>> much room for debate.
>>>
>>> Things can bog down when differences in ideology and philosophy haven't
>>> been dealt with in depth before they come to a specific issue and get
>>> stuck.
>>>
>>> We need to talk more about our underlying philosophies and ideologies.
>>> We need to make room for each person to describe their core beliefs that
>>> bear on how a group should organize and operate. And in that process we
>>> might find that we end up agreeing on a set of core principles, even if
>>> we disagree about other things.
>>>
>>> Personally I'm in favor of something like representative democracy,
>>> where we choose a set of individuals to take care of the administrative
>>> tasks, and empower them to do so. Thus the people who are eager to do
>>> those tasks will do so, and those of us who want to stick to science &
>>> technology and not deal with admin tasks, can do so.
>>>
>>> In the end there's always recourse to putting things up for a direct
>>> decision of the members, so there's not much risk in designating roles
>>> and a scope of power or capability for each role.
>>>
>>> Though, I find the use of language such as "ruled by a police system" to
>>> be unhelpful. I'm in favor of designating one or more people to be able
>>> to moderate disagreements that may come up, and handle other tasks of
>>> that nature: after all, in the end they're our friends & colleagues, and
>>> if they misuse their delegated roles, we can recall them.
>>>
>>> As for egotism, it seems to me that egotism occurs when someone puts
>>> themselves ahead of the group and causes everyone else to have to expend
>>> energy. Yes that includes some instances that begin as a principled
>>> block, _but_ I'm not taking any position on whether the present instance
>>> is one of those.
>>>
>>> To my mind the ability to defer to someone else's judgement or to their
>>> delegated role, is an exercise in overcoming the desire of the ego to
>>> "have it my way."
>>>
>>> Ideally each of us has a value of respect for the group as a whole, and
>>> can come to debating issues with an outlook of being sensitive to the
>>> mood in the room and what would enable the group to move forward
>>> constructively. And that includes asking ourselves what it is that
>>> we're asking others to do, and how much effort we're expecting others to
>>> make in any given situation.
>>>
>>> -G.
>>>
>>>
>>> =====
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13-03-18-Mon 3:00 PM, Patrick Schmidt wrote:
>>>> Dear Sudoers,
>>>>
>>>> what happened last week again?
>>>>
>>>> Everybody was excited, we had a birthday, we had awesome food and
>>>> awesome people.
>>>> As hackers we come to share what we are passionate about, get
>>>> inspired, plan new projects,
>>>> and are excellent to each other, work together on things at Sudo and
>>>> plan awesome activities.
>>>>
>>>> But than a big rupture. A new ever returning topic comes to the agenda,
>>>> the whole energy of the room fades away.
>>>>
>>>> The looks of the faces of the people all say the same:
>>>> lets get as quickly over this point as possible.
>>>>
>>>> But we had to go through this for one hour, an EGO driven conversation starts.
>>>>
>>>> Its about regulating, rules, hypotheticals, bureaucracy, installing
>>>> special sudo functions almost like police.
>>>>
>>>> we were arguing an hour over some trivial wording.
>>>>
>>>> is this really the way we want to go?
>>>>
>>>> Not being able to solve problems in the moment at the meetings?
>>>> Or to keep the positive energy going at the meetings?
>>>> Paralyzing ourselved for one hour again instead of sharing?
>>>>
>>>> Do we really want to loose somuch time about wording of a document
>>>> which is only read
>>>> by the people who wrote the document?
>>>>
>>>> We all enjoy coming to sudoroom. For a growing and thriving community
>>>> it should be easy
>>>> to tell friends about it, invite people and say "just be excellent to
>>>> each other and check it out",
>>>> nobody will read any commendments or laws before coming.
>>>>
>>>> But what would new people see at the meetings? the same uninviting
>>>> left brain driven discussions we see in politics and law...
>>>>
>>>> Do we really want to be ruled by a police system again within our
>>>> newborn community?
>>>>
>>>> We are all one, one community, one people, one tribe.
>>>>
>>>> Dont get me wrong, I dont want to blame, accuse or criticize anybody.
>>>>
>>>> I want to put awareness of what the Eg wants:
>>>>
>>>> The EGO seperates itself from all the others. The EGO wants to hang on
>>>> to the old system
>>>> of ruling, devide and conquer. The EGO is afraid of a world of the 'WE"
>>>>
>>>> We have to get over the stage of EGO driven tactics to create a truely
>>>> free community.
>>>>
>>>> So what can we do about it?
>>>>
>>>> we have to show a lot of love towards the EGO driven minds. Hold em
>>>> tight, say we love em, and that we appreciate their effort for the
>>>> community.
>>>> After all (lets hope) they have good intentions.
>>>> But we also have to make it clear that we dont need all these
>>>> regulations and the seperation from the rest of the world.
>>>>
>>>> we are one big family, and only if we accept this we can build a better future.
>>>>
>>>> just my personal feelings,
>>>> p.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>>>> sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org
>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 17
>>> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:54:03 -0700
>>> From: "Morten H. D. Fuglsang" <vallebo at gmail.com>
>>> To: "sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org"
>>> <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>>> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Hack Marin!
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <CALbJKfPDkXyRL2SKSE8VUh=ysf=3eowPgOT9F0FwtQmJuPb7Nw at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>
>>> Hey peoples,
>>>
>>> J.C. aka. man-with-the-hard-hat-starting-marin-hackerspace, has a birthday
>>> tomorrow. What better way to celebrate than a hackathon, building some
>>> stuff?
>>> Here's what he says:
>>>
>>> Ya the address is 90 Sidney Ct. San Ranfael. No set schedule or anything
>>>> just kind of hanging out and hacking on stuff just let me know what time
>>>> you might be coming will be getting going late morn thru late eve.
>>>
>>>
>>> So I want to go. Sam expressed interest last week. Anyone else in? I'm
>>> thinking carpool from East Bay and go maybe around 10/11AM. I don't have a
>>> car. Throw me a mail!
>>>
>>> Make a great day,
>>> M
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>>> Message: 18
>>> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 01:01:17 -0700
>>> From: Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com>
>>> Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] DOOR ACCESS HACKING!
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>>>
>>> Hi Andrew-
>>>
>>> Yes I have a crimper & ends, but standard practice is to put a jack on
>>> each end of a cable (rather than a plug) and then use a patch cord
>>> (which can be as short as 6" or as long as needed) to the device at each
>>> end.
>>>
>>> Crimping plugs onto twisted pair cable isn't recommended because twisted
>>> pair solid conductor wire should be fastened permanently in place and
>>> not subjected to flexing etc., otherwise the cable can downgrade or the
>>> plugs can go faulty. If the door device has an Ethernet jack on it and
>>> will be permanently mounted, then it's safe to crimp a plug onto that
>>> end of the wire.
>>>
>>> I'm sure I have some Cat5 jacks around, I'll look.
>>>
>>> At some point we can discuss doing the whole patch panel thing upstairs.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile tonight I have some diagrams to produce for a client... more
>>> stuff about door stuff! For some weird reason I've gotten stuck in a
>>> "door stuff" groove recently. It must be the squirrels. The answer to
>>> many puzzling coincidences is "squirrels."
>>>
>>> TTYs-
>>>
>>> -G.
>>>
>>>
>>> =====
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13-03-18-Mon 12:27 PM, Andrew wrote:
>>>> Anon195714 : a spool of cat 5 would be great. Do you have a chrimper
>>>> and some ends for it?
>>>>
>>>> *netdiva : *I would send an email to the list in a new thread asking
>>>> if anyone will be around. I'll be around this evening (around 6pm and
>>>> on) and I have keys . But if anyone else will be there they can let
>>>> you in via the intercom.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:52 AM, netdiva <netdiva at sonic.net
>>>> <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Question; if someone wants to get into sudoroom this afternoon,
>>>> whats the best way to do that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/17/2013 11:01 PM, Yardena Cohen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 13-03-17-Sun 7:57 PM, Andrew wrote:
>>>> sorry for YELLING, but this is critical to sudo room's
>>>> continued operation.
>>>> I will be around Monday and Tuesday evening to hack on
>>>> door access mainly to
>>>> install the keypad and get the raspi in a more stable
>>>> state, even if that
>>>> means having it restart every 20 minutes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just spent some time updating all the software, fixing some
>>>> networking issues, and disabling services on the raspi in
>>>> question. It
>>>> had a full X server + desktop environment booting by default, even
>>>> with no display attached! So I disabled all that and now the
>>>> memory
>>>> usage is much lower. I suspect the "OOM killer" was causing these
>>>> problems, which fits our experience of features/services
>>>> dropping one
>>>> by one until nothing worked at all - first captive DNS would
>>>> go away,
>>>> then web server would go away, then dhcpd would go away...
>>>>
>>>> It works now. Maybe this time it will work a few hours later. :)
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> -------
>>>> Andrew Lowe
>>>> Cell: 831-332-2507
>>>> http://roshambomedia.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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