[sudo-discuss] post-Bike Smut follow-up

[Tony Barreca]

"...have yet to see any complaints..." I meant.



On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Tony Barreca <tony.barreca at gmail.com>wrote:

> I suspect that more are following your conversation than participating in
> it, and I have to see any complaints.
>
> But of course, sharing is totally up to you.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> No I'm reading
>>
>> On Thursday, June 27, 2013, Rabbit wrote:
>>
>>> There were other parts of the film that I thought were worse than that
>>> part but I don't want to get into details here on the list.
>>>
>>> Since we're the only ones talking in this thread I'm going to take it
>>> off-list now.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> Rabbit,
>>>
>>> Well, the email got us off to a less than ideal start, but I think we're
>>> recovering ok :)
>>>
>>> Getting back to the film you brought up -- I'll recap it for anybody who
>>> didn't see it, and then give my interpretation.
>>>
>>> The film depicted a sex act which was consentual on the surface, but at
>>> the end, one woman revealed that she had been conspiring to make the other
>>> one, a stranger, an unknowning participant in getting her pregnant. The
>>> victim of the deception hurried off in horror.
>>>
>>> First, I acknowledge that the film could be difficult for somebody to
>>> watch, especially somebody who's had experiences with nonconsentual sex. I
>>> personally felt uncomfortable watching it.
>>>
>>> But I do not think its intent was to condone the behavior it showed. It
>>> seemed to me that by highlighting the lack of consent -- almost treating it
>>> as a punch line -- it invited the audience to reflect on the act. By
>>> showing the victim's emotional reaction, and the detachment of the
>>> perpetrator, it implicitly acknowledged that there was something going on
>>> that was at least unusual, or maybe worse. It didn't offer explicit
>>> commentary on that, but my impression was that it was the sort of film that
>>> was created with the specific intent of provoking reflection or discussion.
>>>
>>> I'm curious: if the event had offered more opportunity for immediate,
>>> and maybe facilitated, group discussion of the films, would you have felt
>>> OK about that one being included?
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Rabbit <rabbitface at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Pete.  Yes, I wasn't sure if you were part of Bike Smut or not.
>>>
>>> I apologize for misunderstanding part of your message, and thanks for
>>> cooling down the potential flame war.
>>>
>>> Email is a poor medium for this kind of conversation. :/
>>>
>>> -rabbit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> Rabbit,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the reply. I think there's a lot of value in what you have to
>>> say here.
>>>
>>> Only a couple points I want to respond to:
>>> * Sorry I wasn't clearer, I am not part of Bike Smut, beyond being a
>>> personal friend and a supporter of their mission.
>>> * Your summary of my message was overstated in a few places -- in
>>> particular, I most definitely did not mean to suggest that YOU are unkind,
>>> only that your message was. I don't know the first thing about you, but I
>>> do start from the assumption that you are a kind person and aiming to do
>>> good. Also, I have of course no desire to silence you. You obviously have
>>> worthwhile things to say. I just found it troubling to have those things
>>> boiled down to a matter-of-fact and inflammatory "this supports rape
>>> culture."
>>> * I agree that some more discussion at the end could have been
>>> worthwhile; and I think it's pretty common at Bike Smut's events.
>>>
>>> -Pete
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Rabbit <rabbitface at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a lot to say about this!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pete,
>>>
>>> I love the idea of Bike Smut and I wish it success.  I hope it will hear
>>> this feedback and improve next time.
>>>
>>> So, facts and not o
>>>
>>>
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