[sudo-discuss] post-Bike Smut follow-up

[Tony Barreca]

I suspect that more are following your conversation than participating in
it, and I have to see any complaints.

But of course, sharing is totally up to you.



On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>wrote:

> No I'm reading
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2013, Rabbit wrote:
>
>> There were other parts of the film that I thought were worse than that
>> part but I don't want to get into details here on the list.
>>
>> Since we're the only ones talking in this thread I'm going to take it
>> off-list now.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> Rabbit,
>>
>> Well, the email got us off to a less than ideal start, but I think we're
>> recovering ok :)
>>
>> Getting back to the film you brought up -- I'll recap it for anybody who
>> didn't see it, and then give my interpretation.
>>
>> The film depicted a sex act which was consentual on the surface, but at
>> the end, one woman revealed that she had been conspiring to make the other
>> one, a stranger, an unknowning participant in getting her pregnant. The
>> victim of the deception hurried off in horror.
>>
>> First, I acknowledge that the film could be difficult for somebody to
>> watch, especially somebody who's had experiences with nonconsentual sex. I
>> personally felt uncomfortable watching it.
>>
>> But I do not think its intent was to condone the behavior it showed. It
>> seemed to me that by highlighting the lack of consent -- almost treating it
>> as a punch line -- it invited the audience to reflect on the act. By
>> showing the victim's emotional reaction, and the detachment of the
>> perpetrator, it implicitly acknowledged that there was something going on
>> that was at least unusual, or maybe worse. It didn't offer explicit
>> commentary on that, but my impression was that it was the sort of film that
>> was created with the specific intent of provoking reflection or discussion.
>>
>> I'm curious: if the event had offered more opportunity for immediate, and
>> maybe facilitated, group discussion of the films, would you have felt OK
>> about that one being included?
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Rabbit <rabbitface at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Pete.  Yes, I wasn't sure if you were part of Bike Smut or not.
>>
>> I apologize for misunderstanding part of your message, and thanks for
>> cooling down the potential flame war.
>>
>> Email is a poor medium for this kind of conversation. :/
>>
>> -rabbit
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> Rabbit,
>>
>> Thanks for the reply. I think there's a lot of value in what you have to
>> say here.
>>
>> Only a couple points I want to respond to:
>> * Sorry I wasn't clearer, I am not part of Bike Smut, beyond being a
>> personal friend and a supporter of their mission.
>> * Your summary of my message was overstated in a few places -- in
>> particular, I most definitely did not mean to suggest that YOU are unkind,
>> only that your message was. I don't know the first thing about you, but I
>> do start from the assumption that you are a kind person and aiming to do
>> good. Also, I have of course no desire to silence you. You obviously have
>> worthwhile things to say. I just found it troubling to have those things
>> boiled down to a matter-of-fact and inflammatory "this supports rape
>> culture."
>> * I agree that some more discussion at the end could have been
>> worthwhile; and I think it's pretty common at Bike Smut's events.
>>
>> -Pete
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Rabbit <rabbitface at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have a lot to say about this!
>>
>>
>>
>> Pete,
>>
>> I love the idea of Bike Smut and I wish it success.  I hope it will hear
>> this feedback and improve next time.
>>
>> So, facts and not o
>>
>>
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