[sudo-discuss] Possible new sudo space

Mon Dec 2 21:44:53 PST 2013

I totally agree. Any potential space is still gonna be Oakland, and even
relatively nice parts of Oakland are still rife with crime.
On Dec 2, 2013 4:32 PM, "Chris Bee" <hotelcompany at gmail.com> wrote:

> (shakes head, sighs)
>
> I've said it before and I'll say it again...in most cases, putting the
> onus of personal safety on a neighborhood is totally missing the point that
> YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY, full stop. Saying that you are
> (relatively) more or less safe depending on where you are is...is...well,
> it's wrong thinking on so many levels that I don't even know where to begin.
>
> Feel free to disagree with me, but when I hear/read discussions about this
> based around "how safe is so-and-so compared to such-and-such area" I think
> "Wow, if that isn't privilege/entitlement/self-absorption then I don't know
> what is." Not saying that any of you are, but I'm just saying. I like and
> respect my sudo peoples...a lot. That's why I'm pointing this out. I don't
> want anyone to be lulled into a false sense of security/anxiety by thinking
> that just because you're in one area bad shit is less prone to happen to
> you, or vice versa. It's on all of us to be aware of what's going on around
> us and to be prepared to deal with whatever situations may come our way,
> alone or otherwise. Good Samaritans notwithstanding, the cops are...well,
> the odds of them being there when you "need" them (I personally don't) are
> next to nil, and they only seem to make things complicated after the fact.
>
> What we should be focused on is locating an affordable space that meets
> the needs of BAPS/sudo/CCL.
>
> Sorry if I seem a little impatient but I've seen too many important
> discussions get derailed like this, and right now I think this is pretty
> high on our list of immediate concerns.
>
> And again, If anyone wants to straighten me out on this issue I'm all
> ears/eyes.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> -chrisbee
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Oh man I'm I total idiot, I just realized where 8th and Alice is - I saw
>> "8th st" and "near BART" and thought you were talking about w Oakland BART.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth wrote:
>>
>>> Sonja, given that -- as you say -- West Oakland is "pretty mixed"
>>> racially and culturally, what is it that leads you to conclude that Amber
>>> was talking about black people, and commenting on race?
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah you need to give black people more credit. Did you know, some of
>>> them like coffee shops also? some of them can read? Some of them have
>>> computers? Some of them might become sudo members? Black people are pretty
>>> similar to white people and like lots of the same things!!! Wow.
>>>
>>> In any case w. O. Is pretty mixed. There are lots burners and anarchists
>>> there that would like sudo room too. My roommate Randall will be there
>>> every day if you move to 8th and Alice.
>>>
>>>  Listen if anyone on this list is actually worried about the harmful
>>> effects of gentrification, I'm happy to brainstorm how to accomplish these
>>> two specific goals:
>>> Under no circumstances should the west Oakland housing projects move or
>>> be converted. (This will not be a real concern for 25 years, but still)
>>> Make new building in w o very very easy. The main attractive feature of
>>> w O is cheapness of rent. We still have plenty of empty space. There is no
>>> reason that supply tightness should cause rents to rise for 50 more years
>>> SO LONG AS ANTI GENTRIFICATION concerns DONT PREVENT NEW BUILDING.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth wrote:
>>>
>>> Everybody has different views on gentrification. But speaking for
>>> myself, the kind that bothers me is the high-security condos with on-site
>>> parking where rich people get cheap real estate and then have zero
>>> incentive or inclination to engage with their neighbors. They drive to
>>> work, drive to Whole Foods, and in between sit behind bars on their
>>> balconies while their neighbors push shopping carts by their fortresslike
>>> front doors to the recycling center.
>>>
>>> Sudo Room *exists* to build community. It may not build the kind of
>>> community that everybody wants to  participate in, but it does offer
>>> opportunities that don't exist absent a hacker space. It's hard for me to
>>> imagine Sudo Room doing damage to its neighborhood, and even if something
>>> unexpected happened, I think its community would act quickly to correct the
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:45 AM, AnimationAmber . <
>>> amberyadaanimation at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It should be noted that aiming for a space in a "less-gentrified"
>>> neighborhood does overlook the possibility that Sudo's presence would have
>>> a gentrifying effect. Thoughts?
>>>
>>> -amber
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Marc Juul <juul at labitat.dk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Matt, Jenny and myself went and looked at another space that could
>>> potentially be a new sudo space.
>>>
>>> We've started gathering information about it here:
>>>
>>>   https://sudoroom.org/wiki/8th_and_Alice
>>>
>>> My personal feeling about the space is:
>>>
>>> This is an awesome space with lots of natural light. It addresses two of
>>> the major concerns raised about The Omni in being two blocks from BART in a
>>> neighborhood that seems/feels safer than the area around MacArthur BART,
>>> and in being located in a less gentrified neighborhood. The one drawback in
>>> comparing it to the current space and The Omni is the lack of a big
>>> separate common area for events. It is _very_ similar to Noisebridge in
>>> almost every way.
>>>
>>> --
>>> marc/juul
>>>
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