[sudo-discuss] Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this? And how?

[rusty lindgren]

Good points,

There are some other threat models to work through, but this would be a
great place to start from.


-Rusty

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Julio Rios <julio.rios at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was listening to the Noisebridge tour sent by Vicky and it seems like
> their membership process <http://youtu.be/2wGMjRJpLCA?t=10m02s> is a
> little more formalized <http://youtu.be/2wGMjRJpLCA?t=8m58s>.  I would
> support doing something similar, though perhaps not exactly the same.... as
> Sonja suggested.
> I would think full members (per some criteria) would get access 24/7, and
> everyone else can access the space if a member is already there (as is
> usually the case now, though the definition of "member" is currently
> somewhat vague).
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:52 PM, rusty lindgren <rustylindgren at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Same, Welcome Sonja!
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts.  It's really important to the group that all
>> humans feel like there is a good level of safety in the space.
>>
>> :D
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> welcome sonja!
>>>
>>>
>>> +a million to jordan's email.
>>>
>>> - marina
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi I'm totally new here and I don't know any of you. I live in west
>>>> Oakland but I belong to Noisebridge! Absurd.
>>>> I agree with an earlier poster that it is valuable to make members/
>>>> people work for what they get. Not giving ppl 24 h access is as justifiable
>>>> for that reason as it is for the safety reasons.
>>>> I suggest you adopt the age-old policy of having to get a current
>>>> member to recommend you in order to be a full member (24-h access). Someone
>>>> like me could become a partial member immediately, with limited access, and
>>>> then I would have to meet some people and get one (or two, if that's the
>>>> rule) to sign off on me being a full member. It sounds exclusive, but it's
>>>> actually already how communities work.
>>>> On Apr 4, 2013 11:57 AM, "rusty lindgren" <rustylindgren at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just thought I would point this out, since it came up earlier in the
>>>>> dues thread.  But, Marc's point(a very good marketing point about 24/7
>>>>> access), has as a big security exception, we didn't really talk about,
>>>>> probably mostly because of time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically, it's easy for us to think "hey, we should let this person
>>>>> have access, because they seem cool, and we want to remain open," but even
>>>>> I get sketched out at night sometimes, and there are real safety issues at
>>>>> work here, and we should discuss them in relation to cost/benefits for the
>>>>> space.  It's also entirely possible that we trust someone, and they just do
>>>>> something bad anyway.  We don't really spend a lot of time thinking about
>>>>> this, but this is something we haven't had to really deal with yet, because
>>>>> we've had really shitty access up until now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if my survey asked this question properly, but I was
>>>>> trying to see if 24/7 access was worth more to people as a value, but I
>>>>> think for some people it could be a safety draw-back, and at least in 1
>>>>> case this is true.  I also am not sure it's really something we should be
>>>>> promoting, if we do decide on it being okay for members to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone wants to post about how they feel about this(I think it
>>>>> really is about feelings in this case, because it's about promoting
>>>>> membership and establishing wants/needs), then please feel free to reply
>>>>> here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rusty
>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Rusty Lindgren
>> **
>>
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Cheers,

Rusty Lindgren
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