[sudo-discuss] Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this? And how?

[aestetix]

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As someone who was involved in Noisebridge for longer than is healthy,
I can vouch that, like everything else, their membership process is
not perfect.

That said, it might be worthwhile to create a list of what you want
"membership" to mean, and craft a process around that list.

Hail Eris,
aestetix

On 4/4/13 2:18 PM, rusty lindgren wrote:
> Good points,
> 
> There are some other threat models to work through, but this would
> be a great place to start from.
> 
> 
> -Rusty
> 
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Julio Rios <julio.rios at gmail.com 
> <mailto:julio.rios at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> I was listening to the Noisebridge tour sent by Vicky and it seems 
> like their membership process 
> <http://youtu.be/2wGMjRJpLCA?t=10m02s> is a little more formalized 
> <http://youtu.be/2wGMjRJpLCA?t=8m58s>.  I would support doing 
> something similar, though perhaps not exactly the same.... as
> Sonja suggested. I would think full members (per some criteria)
> would get access 24/7, and everyone else can access the space if a
> member is already there (as is usually the case now, though the
> definition of "member" is currently somewhat vague).
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:52 PM, rusty lindgren 
> <rustylindgren at gmail.com <mailto:rustylindgren at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Same, Welcome Sonja!
> 
> Thanks for your thoughts.  It's really important to the group that
> all humans feel like there is a good level of safety in the space.
> 
> 
> :D
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Marina Kukso 
> <marina.kukso at gmail.com <mailto:marina.kukso at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> welcome sonja!
> 
> 
> +a million to jordan's email.
> 
> - marina
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Sonja Trauss 
> <sonja.trauss at gmail.com <mailto:sonja.trauss at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi I'm totally new here and I don't know any of you. I live in west
> Oakland but I belong to Noisebridge! Absurd. I agree with an
> earlier poster that it is valuable to make members/ people work for
> what they get. Not giving ppl 24 h access is as justifiable for
> that reason as it is for the safety reasons. I suggest you adopt
> the age-old policy of having to get a current member to recommend
> you in order to be a full member (24-h access). Someone like me
> could become a partial member immediately, with limited access,
> and then I would have to meet some people and get one (or two, if
> that's the rule) to sign off on me being a full member. It sounds
> exclusive, but it's actually already how communities work.
> 
> On Apr 4, 2013 11:57 AM, "rusty lindgren" <rustylindgren at gmail.com 
> <mailto:rustylindgren at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hey Everyone,
> 
> Just thought I would point this out, since it came up earlier in
> the dues thread.  But, Marc's point(a very good marketing point
> about 24/7 access), has as a big security exception, we didn't
> really talk about, probably mostly because of time.
> 
> Basically, it's easy for us to think "hey, we should let this
> person have access, because they seem cool, and we want to remain
> open," but even I get sketched out at night sometimes, and there
> are real safety issues at work here, and we should discuss them in 
> relation to cost/benefits for the space.  It's also entirely
> possible that we trust someone, and they just do something bad
> anyway.  We don't really spend a lot of time thinking about this,
> but this is something we haven't had to really deal with yet, 
> because we've had really shitty access up until now.
> 
> I don't know if my survey asked this question properly, but I was
> trying to see if 24/7 access was worth more to people as a value,
> but I think for some people it could be a safety draw-back, and at 
> least in 1 case this is true.  I also am not sure it's really
> something we should be promoting, if we do decide on it being okay
> for members to do.
> 
> If anyone wants to post about how they feel about this(I think it
> really is about feelings in this case, because it's about promoting
> membership and establishing wants/needs), then please feel free to 
> reply here.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rusty **
> 
> 
> 
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> -- Cheers,
> 
> Rusty Lindgren **
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