[Mesh] [FNF] Fwd: grant

Wed Dec 4 17:24:02 PST 2013

Jenny - sorry if I came across as pushing for an open process in this
instance. I really don't know enough yet to have an opinion on that -
mainly just wanted to point out a couple relevant initiatives with
transparent reasoning, to inform the discussion.

thanks for sharing your sudo page!

Pete
On Dec 4, 2013 4:47 PM, "Charles N Wyble" <charles at thefnf.org> wrote:

> Perhaps I should not have sent it out to the FNF list , but to our
> leadership team directly. We've only just discovered the grant and won't
> necessarily apply for it. It could be useful for some things we are working
> on, or to allow Isaac to remain working full time for FNF. He has given up
> a lot in order to work full time on FNF.
>
> Also to be clear:
>
> 1)FNF hasn't deployed any nodes (we've worked to keep our name as a
> supporting or facilitating partner in press coverage). Connecting for good
> and others have done the deployments. We've provided support, advice and
> subject matter expertise in terms of optimization etc.
>
> 2) We have put substantial effort into advancing the wireless wide area
> networking body of knowledge via our wiki and ongoing hacker dojo training
> and of course presentations at conferences and user groups. Also our lab
> etc. Does this qualify us under the grant? Perhaps so, perhaps not.
>
> 3) We have not as of yet shipped any software. Not even 0.0.1 release. To
> a certain extent FreedomStack could be considered vaporware. :)
>
> On the other hand, we do have a pretty good track record with grant
> applications.
>
> So in all likelihood, sudoroom would have a higher chance of success based
> on my preliminary reading of the grant details.
>
> I would be happy to assist however I can with sudoroom getting the grant.
> You guys have a good (but still somewhat nascent) track record, and I
> believe will continue to do great things for the mesh/wwan community in the
> US and globally.
>
> Thanks for reading.
>
> Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com> wrote:
> >Pete - Had Charles proposed collaborating with us in applying for the
> >grant, then this would fit into the model you're describing. However,
> >having both of our orgs apply for the same single grant is effectively
> >directly competing with us for the same pot, since we're both working
> >on
> >similar projects. And, since we're a newer project and have yet to
> >deploy
> >any nodes, FNF is considerably more likely to win it.
> >
> >I of course support open submissions and reporting, hence my creation
> >of this
> >wiki page <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Funding> on the sudoroom wiki.
> >
> >Jenny
> >http://jennyryan.net
> >http://thepyre.org
> >http://thevirtualcampfire.org
> >http://technomadic.tumblr.com
> >
> >`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
> > "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
> >-Laurie Anderson
> >
> >"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
> >it."
> > -Hannah Arendt
> >
> >"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
> >-Stéphane Mallarmé
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> >
> >
> >On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth at gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> I tend to agree with Charles -- using an open process to apply for
> >grants
> >> has its benefits. (Not to say there aren't drawbacks as well -- it's
> >a
> >> judgment call.) But, for some interesting reading, I'd point out the
> >> relevant policy of the OER Foundation:
> >>
> >>    -
> >>
> >
> http://wikieducator.org/OERF:FAQs/OER_Foundation/#Can_my_institution_join_others_in_bidding_for_international_projects_and_.2F_or_grant_funding.3F
> >>
> >> and the Wikimedia grants program also requires open submissions and
> >> reporting:
> >>
> >>    - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Index
> >>
> >> -Pete
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Charles N Wyble
> ><charles at thefnf.org>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Why should they be kept off list? It was a good grant and FNF is
> >just as
> >>> capable and valid to apply for it.
> >>>
> >>> Plus if it was on boing boing it's public.
> >>>
> >>> Very curious behavior.
> >>>
> >>> Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >It would seem we should maybe keep funding opportunities off-list
> >>> >(private
> >>> >email or at meetings), but thanks for the heads up, Ryan!
> >>> >On Dec 4, 2013 1:18 PM, "Charles N Wyble"
> ><charles at knownelement.com>
> >>> >wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> Should we apply for this?
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >>> >> From: Ryan Evans <ryanlyleevans at gmail.com>
> >>> >> Sent: Wed Dec 04 12:02:43 CST 2013
> >>> >> To: mesh at lists.sudoroom.org
> >>> >> Subject: [Mesh] grant
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Via BoingBoing, a $10k technology
> >>> >>
> >>> >grant<http://www.tides.org/impact/awards-prizes/pizzigati-prize/
> >>> >(proposal
> >>> >> due friday)
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>>
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