[sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] Elliot Hughes

Sun Jan 18 11:09:02 PST 2015

Sitemod:
Can we make it so it's not burried? Not necessarily on the front page, but
somewhere intuitively easy to find?

~ Korl

500px.com/eske
510.689.4484
On Jan 18, 2015 10:32 AM, "niki" <niki.shelley at gmail.com> wrote:

> Why not just make a new page on the omnicommons.org wiki?
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:26 AM, Eske Silver <eske.silver at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jenny.
>> We most definitely should have a place for all of these incidents to be
>> available, that's more easily accessible to everyone.
>>
>> Maybe we can simply adapt our own format of the ban page from
>> NoiseBridges site? Sone kind of wiki page where all of this info can be
>> housed. For our own FYI and the consolidation of interactions (would
>> definitely help with miscomms and clarifications like those above), but
>> also for public awareness (STP.org has had really good response from a
>> similar "Untrustworthy People" page).
>> It could also be a good tool for mediation; for parties involved to be
>> able to see incident testimony, etc.
>>
>> Shouldn't be too dificult to set up, right?
>> To start, I can write up a full testimony of my interaction with drunky,
>> and already have a copy involving the 4am-squatter* in the sudomtg
>> archives. I know there are a few other testimonies in there, as well.
>>
>> Should I rewrite this as a new thread to omni discuss? What else do we
>> have in place, so far, along these lines (besides sudo ban wiki, etc).
>>
>> Perhaps the most accessible version of this could be a direct-link via
>> the front door terminal (anyone know why it's sitting idle in Sudo?).
>>
>> ~ Korl
>>
>> 500px.com/eske
>> 510.689.4484
>> On Jan 17, 2015 4:37 PM, "Jenny Ryan" <tunabananas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Point of clarification:
>>>
>>> The drunk who jimmied the lock came back for the weekend-long fundraiser
>>> kickoff. Marc informed him that he was not allowed in the space, and he got
>>> upset and wouldn't leave. We called all hands on deck and surrounded him
>>> but he still wouldn't leave. Then Elliot came along, grabbed him by the
>>> shoulders, and threw him out the door.
>>>
>>> He apologized afterwards and said something to the effect of, "that
>>> guy's a total asshole and was just going to waste our time."
>>>
>>> On 01/17/2015 02:40 PM, David Keenan wrote:
>>> > Hmm...
>>> >
>>> > Then there was a second incident, because I did get confirmation that
>>> > Elliot 'walked out' a guy who jimmied open the door with a knife - I
>>> got
>>> > that confirmation from the person who was walked out and yelled at me
>>> about
>>> > it, so I'm pretty sure that happened..
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 12:35 PM, niki <niki.shelley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > I never heard about this incident.
>>> > >
>>> > > Can we create a place to report these kinds of things - maybe a
>>> separate
>>> > > list.
>>> > >
>>> > > I think it's important that the community is alerted when stuff like
>>> this
>>> > > happens.
>>> > >
>>> > > Did I miss something, maybe? Sorry!
>>> > >
>>> > > N
>>> > >
>>> > > On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Eske Silver <eske.silver at gmail.com
>>> >
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> Elliot was not involved in the incident where I interacted with the
>>> > >> intoxicated person who had a knife in the door, and was verbally
>>> abusive.
>>> > >> I enjoy the telephone game, same as anyone, but it seems this is one
>>> > >> story worthy of clarification.
>>> > >> The drunky, Pidgeon, Noah, one other sudoer, and I were there.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> ~ Korl
>>> > >>
>>> > >> 500px.com/eske
>>> > >> 510.689.4484
>>> > >> On Jan 16, 2015 4:59 PM, "Ryan" <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> Sudo's meetings are at the same time, the same place, every week.
>>> > >>> Wednesday, 7 pm, Sudo Room.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Matt just said that he's going to bring it up at the next meeting.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:55 PM, joseph liesner <blue393 at lmi.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>> When I was corrected for calling Elliot my comrade I
>>> > >>>> thought well I don't know, yet, what happened with them
>>> > >>>> so sould I trust others (as I have been advised to in the past)
>>> > >>>> and no longer consider them a comrade.  It didn't feel right;
>>> > >>>> and I think that is why his banning feels so strange to me.
>>> > >>>> Then, finally, at post # 24 DK adds some important specifics.
>>> > >>>> So I am requesting that the Sudoroom meeting where Elliot' s
>>> > >>>> banning is discussed be announced on Discuss well in advance of
>>> > >>>> it's happening.
>>> > >>>> Tahnks
>>> > >>>> joe
>>> > >>>> On Jan 15, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Eske Silver wrote:
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Sent this a couple days go, but I forgot to hit 'reply all':
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> True, though, that we have parted ways with members, and guests,
>>> for
>>> > >>>> less than [multiple physical incidents?] - comrade or not.
>>> > >>>> While case-by-case is my prefered language, I also always stand
>>> by a
>>> > >>>> Zero Tolerance for abuse toward another loving being.
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> From what I've read, this seems the logical mean answer:
>>> > >>>> For the sake of Safer Spaces, let's ask that Elliot appreciate a
>>> > >>>> request that they take leave, until we find a resolution...
>>> > >>>> For the sake of nuance and case-by-case, I'd bet we could find
>>> someone
>>> > >>>> who's known Elliot for a handful of human time increments, who
>>> would be so
>>> > >>>> kind as to reach out to Elliot. This person might then glean
>>> what's going
>>> > >>>> on with Elliot, and how he feels we (all) should/can procede with
>>> these
>>> > >>>> issues.
>>> > >>>> Then, for the sake of precident, if Elliot is willing and able,
>>> we can
>>> > >>>> follow the guide and set on to conflict resolution...
>>> > >>>> The rest is (in theory) easy, I'd say.
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Any edits?
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> ~ Korl
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> ~ Korl
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> 500px.com/eske
>>> > >>>> 510.689.4484
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>>
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