[sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] Elliot Hughes

Sun Jan 18 01:26:22 PST 2015

Thanks Jenny.
We most definitely should have a place for all of these incidents to be
available, that's more easily accessible to everyone.

Maybe we can simply adapt our own format of the ban page from NoiseBridges
site? Sone kind of wiki page where all of this info can be housed. For our
own FYI and the consolidation of interactions (would definitely help with
miscomms and clarifications like those above), but also for public
awareness (STP.org has had really good response from a similar
"Untrustworthy People" page).
It could also be a good tool for mediation; for parties involved to be able
to see incident testimony, etc.

Shouldn't be too dificult to set up, right?
To start, I can write up a full testimony of my interaction with drunky,
and already have a copy involving the 4am-squatter* in the sudomtg
archives. I know there are a few other testimonies in there, as well.

Should I rewrite this as a new thread to omni discuss? What else do we have
in place, so far, along these lines (besides sudo ban wiki, etc).

Perhaps the most accessible version of this could be a direct-link via the
front door terminal (anyone know why it's sitting idle in Sudo?).

~ Korl

500px.com/eske
510.689.4484
On Jan 17, 2015 4:37 PM, "Jenny Ryan" <tunabananas at gmail.com> wrote:

> Point of clarification:
>
> The drunk who jimmied the lock came back for the weekend-long fundraiser
> kickoff. Marc informed him that he was not allowed in the space, and he got
> upset and wouldn't leave. We called all hands on deck and surrounded him
> but he still wouldn't leave. Then Elliot came along, grabbed him by the
> shoulders, and threw him out the door.
>
> He apologized afterwards and said something to the effect of, "that guy's
> a total asshole and was just going to waste our time."
>
> On 01/17/2015 02:40 PM, David Keenan wrote:
> > Hmm...
> >
> > Then there was a second incident, because I did get confirmation that
> > Elliot 'walked out' a guy who jimmied open the door with a knife - I got
> > that confirmation from the person who was walked out and yelled at me
> about
> > it, so I'm pretty sure that happened..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 12:35 PM, niki <niki.shelley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I never heard about this incident.
> > >
> > > Can we create a place to report these kinds of things - maybe a
> separate
> > > list.
> > >
> > > I think it's important that the community is alerted when stuff like
> this
> > > happens.
> > >
> > > Did I miss something, maybe? Sorry!
> > >
> > > N
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Eske Silver <eske.silver at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Elliot was not involved in the incident where I interacted with the
> > >> intoxicated person who had a knife in the door, and was verbally
> abusive.
> > >> I enjoy the telephone game, same as anyone, but it seems this is one
> > >> story worthy of clarification.
> > >> The drunky, Pidgeon, Noah, one other sudoer, and I were there.
> > >>
> > >> ~ Korl
> > >>
> > >> 500px.com/eske
> > >> 510.689.4484
> > >> On Jan 16, 2015 4:59 PM, "Ryan" <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Sudo's meetings are at the same time, the same place, every week.
> > >>> Wednesday, 7 pm, Sudo Room.
> > >>>
> > >>> Matt just said that he's going to bring it up at the next meeting.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:55 PM, joseph liesner <blue393 at lmi.net>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> When I was corrected for calling Elliot my comrade I
> > >>>> thought well I don't know, yet, what happened with them
> > >>>> so sould I trust others (as I have been advised to in the past)
> > >>>> and no longer consider them a comrade.  It didn't feel right;
> > >>>> and I think that is why his banning feels so strange to me.
> > >>>> Then, finally, at post # 24 DK adds some important specifics.
> > >>>> So I am requesting that the Sudoroom meeting where Elliot' s
> > >>>> banning is discussed be announced on Discuss well in advance of
> > >>>> it's happening.
> > >>>> Tahnks
> > >>>> joe
> > >>>> On Jan 15, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Eske Silver wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sent this a couple days go, but I forgot to hit 'reply all':
> > >>>>
> > >>>> True, though, that we have parted ways with members, and guests, for
> > >>>> less than [multiple physical incidents?] - comrade or not.
> > >>>> While case-by-case is my prefered language, I also always stand by a
> > >>>> Zero Tolerance for abuse toward another loving being.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> From what I've read, this seems the logical mean answer:
> > >>>> For the sake of Safer Spaces, let's ask that Elliot appreciate a
> > >>>> request that they take leave, until we find a resolution...
> > >>>> For the sake of nuance and case-by-case, I'd bet we could find
> someone
> > >>>> who's known Elliot for a handful of human time increments, who
> would be so
> > >>>> kind as to reach out to Elliot. This person might then glean what's
> going
> > >>>> on with Elliot, and how he feels we (all) should/can procede with
> these
> > >>>> issues.
> > >>>> Then, for the sake of precident, if Elliot is willing and able, we
> can
> > >>>> follow the guide and set on to conflict resolution...
> > >>>> The rest is (in theory) easy, I'd say.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Any edits?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ~ Korl
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ~ Korl
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 500px.com/eske
> > >>>> 510.689.4484
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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