[sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] Elliot Hughes
Jenny Ryan
tunabananas at gmail.com
Fri Jan 16 12:56:24 PST 2015
I have spoken with Eliot about all of this and second David's point - in
all instances Elliot was very much acting out of defense of the space and
the people in it.
After the latest incident, Elliot told me they were committed to refraining
from future use of physical force in the Omni. They were quite serious in
saying this and I don't take them as someone who gives their word lightly.
Personally, I will be at the next sudo meeting to discuss, but I am
inclined to warn rather than ban. Given the situations David described (
some facts off - it was korl, not me who got told off by the drunk dude; in
the latest instance Elliot restrained but did not 'assault' David T), it
seems clear to me he is more committed to maintaining safe space than
threatening it.
Jenny
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On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 5:34 PM, David Keenan <dkeenan44 at gmail.com> wrote:
> To add my voice to the discussion:
>
> - The incidents in this case should not be kept secret but told publicly
> to the list. Not that anyone is advancing this, but this should not be a
> closed session thing - elliot is part of more communities than sudo, so
> lets have the mediator but the circumstances should be public. I don't
> think Elliot would object to that.
>
> - May I ask, has elliot already been formally warned against any of this
> behavior, or not? It would be good to know.
>
> - It should be noted that in at least 3 of the incidents I know about at
> least over the last couple years, the genesis of the incident was Elliot's
> attempt to act to protect space and community around him, albiet in an
> badly escalating way that I agree is definitely something that has to stop.
> Nonetheless I think the intent and circumstance are germane.
>
> For example (to the best of my knowledge here):
>
> The first incident I'm aware of was an altercation with an individual who
> if I recall correctly was already banned from another collective, RPS, due
> to safe space issues.
>
> In the second instance our landlord back at 2141 set off a bug bomb while
> people were working in the space and Elliot forcibly removed it outside.
>
> In the second instance someone jimmied open the door with knife, called
> jenny a bitch and had to be escorted out. (This guy had disrupted public
> school classes in the past and is a verified creep.)
>
> In the third instance, I hear elliot thought a new sudo applicant (someone
> not yet well known in our community) was stealing. Prior to the
> altercation, at least one sudo organizer formally expressed concern for
> this new member's mental/emotional state. From what I understand its not
> clear whether the individual was stealing or not, but I believe this should
> be taken into account.
>
> Basically for all elliots faults I do see elliot as someone who actually
> tries to protect the space and those around him and I feel that this
> information is missing from the conversation about preserving safe space. I
> believe intent is not irrelevant and to elliot's mind, I am pretty sure, he
> is trying to keep the safe space, not make it less safe. That he does so in
> a reckless way is bad but the pattern to me seems to be elliot being
> overprotective and escalating.
>
> A caveat is most of my information is second-hand, but I felt such
> circumstances are germane.
>
> David
>
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:53 PM, <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
>
>> from sudo room articles:
>>
>> Section 2.3 Benefits
>>
>> The following are benefits available to all members:
>>
>> - Usable assets and resources
>> <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association/Assets_and_Resources>
>> available within reasonable constraints of time and under the condition of
>> sharing.
>> - *sudo room* strives to make assets and resources available to as
>> many non-member participants and beneficiaries as possible.
>> - Note: no personal property should be stored in *sudo room*
>> unless a system for personal storage can be provided by *sudo room*
>> .
>> - Note: the use of *sudo room* environments for habitation and/or
>> domestic use is strongly discouraged.
>> - Approved discounts and services negotiated through the collective
>> purchasing power of *sudo room*.
>> - Items are up to the discretion of *sudo room* to determine
>> through its budgeting and decision-making processes.
>> - A *safe space,* which is defined as:
>> - "A place where anyone can relax and be fully self-expressed,
>> without fear of being made to feel uncomfortable, unwelcome, or unsafe on
>> account of biological sex, race/ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender
>> identity or expression, cultural background, age, or physical or mental
>> ability; a place where the rules guard each person's self-respect and
>> dignity and strongly encourage everyone to respect others." —
>> Advocates for Youth via Wikipedia
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe-space>.
>> - A place free of physical violence or threats thereof.
>>
>>
>> On 2015-01-15 16:21, Stephen Novotny wrote:
>>
>> yes. I think this is it
>> https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy#4..E2.80.8E_.E2.80.8FConsequences.E2.80.AD_.E2.80.ACof.E2.80.AD_.E2.80.ACUnacceptable.E2.80.AD_.E2.80.ACBehavior
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Karissa McKelvey <krmckelv at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There needs to be clear guidelines surrounding who can access the
>>> commons otherwise the commons deteriorates.
>>>
>>> If someone breaks a rule, they should be subject to consequences.
>>>
>>> Is there no policy guideline surrounding physical violence in this
>>> commons??
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hey all,
>>> >
>>> > I am regularly moved by the sudo room community's compassion.
>>> >
>>> > However, allow me to re-iterate a selection of my original message,
>>> facts
>>> > and my personal positions that have not changed:
>>> >
>>> >> this is the second time in our new location (I was present the first
>>> time)
>>> >> ... of Elliot escalating a situation to a physical, even violent,
>>> response
>>> >> on his part.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > We must differentiate patterns of behavior from isolated incidents.
>>> This is
>>> > a pattern, and I think it reasonable to anticipate the risk of repeat
>>> > behavior.
>>> >
>>> >> I am no longer willing to tolerate this behavior
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Nor do I believe anyone should.
>>> >
>>> >> [Elliot's continued participation is] ... a greater cost, and even
>>> greater
>>> >> potential risk, than a revocation of his privilege to use the space.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Consequences are hard to deal with, but we, as individuals, must hold
>>> > ourselves and each other responsible for our actions.
>>> >
>>> > It has become more and more obvious to me that when individuals take
>>> > advantage of their access to the commons, it is most critical for our
>>> > community to act as stewards, to show resolve that such behavior will
>>> not be
>>> > tolerated, and that paths to reconciliation begin with recognizing
>>> that, if
>>> > necessary, the privilege to access the commons can, and will, be taken
>>> away.
>>> >
>>> > // Matt
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> The path forward for those interested in pursuing this issue is to
>>> put it
>>> >> on the sudoroom meeting agenda, and show up prepared to discuss a
>>> proposal.
>>> >> No one involved in this issue was present at the sudo room meeting
>>> last
>>> >> night. In all honesty we could really use more participation in those
>>> >> meetings by regular members other than Marc, myself and Matt.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >> Jenny
>>> >>
>>> >> On 01/15/2015 11:51 AM, Eske Silver wrote:
>>> >> > Thanks for the comments, and update.
>>> >> > Hopefully we'll figure out how to go about finding a solution for
>>> this.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ~ Korl
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 500px.com/eske
>>> >> > 510.689.4484
>>> >> > On Jan 15, 2015 11:47 AM, "Ryan" <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > Nothing was brought up at the meeting.
>>> >> > > On Jan 15, 2015 11:47 AM, "Ryan" <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >> I fully support that with no edits, korl. I think it is full of
>>> >> > >> compassion and care for everyone.
>>> >> > >> On Jan 15, 2015 11:44 AM, "Eske Silver" <eske.silver at gmail.com>
>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >>> Sent this a couple days go, but I forgot to hit 'reply all':
>>> >> > >>>
>>> >> > >>> True, though, that we have parted ways with members, and
>>> guests, for
>>> >> > >>> less than [multiple physical incidents?] - comrade or not.
>>> >> > >>> While case-by-case is my prefered language, I also always stand
>>> by a
>>> >> > >>> Zero Tolerance for abuse toward another loving being.
>>> >> > >>>
>>> >> > >>> From what I've read, this seems the logical mean answer:
>>> >> > >>> For the sake of Safer Spaces, let's ask that Elliot appreciate a
>>> >> > >>> request
>>> >> > >>> that they take leave, until we find a resolution...
>>> >> > >>> For the sake of nuance and case-by-case, I'd bet we could find
>>> >> > >>> someone
>>> >> > >>> who's known Elliot for a handful of human time increments, who
>>> would
>>> >> > >>> be so
>>> >> > >>> kind as to reach out to Elliot. This person might then glean
>>> what's
>>> >> > >>> going
>>> >> > >>> on with Elliot, and how he feels we (all) should/can procede
>>> with
>>> >> > >>> these
>>> >> > >>> issues.
>>> >> > >>> Then, for the sake of precident, if Elliot is willing and able,
>>> we
>>> >> > >>> can
>>> >> > >>> follow the guide and set on to conflict resolution...
>>> >> > >>> The rest is (in theory) easy, I'd say.
>>> >> > >>>
>>> >> > >>> Any edits?
>>> >> > >>>
>>> >> > >>> ~ Korl
>>> >> > >>>
>>> >> > >>> ~ Korl
>>> >> > >>>
>>> >> > >>> 500px.com/eske
>>> >> > >>> 510.689.4484
>>> >> > >>>
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>>> >> > >>>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
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>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >>
>>> >> Jenny
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>>> >>
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>>> >> -Laurie Anderson
>>> >>
>>> >> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
>>> >> it."
>>> >> -Hannah Arendt
>>> >>
>>> >> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
>>> >> -Stéphane Mallarmé
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