[sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] Elliot Hughes

Thu Jan 15 16:21:08 PST 2015

yes. I think this is it
https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy#4..E2.80.8E_.E2.80.8FConsequences.E2.80.AD_.E2.80.ACof.E2.80.AD_.E2.80.ACUnacceptable.E2.80.AD_.E2.80.ACBehavior

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Karissa McKelvey <krmckelv at gmail.com>
wrote:

> There needs to be clear guidelines surrounding who can access the
> commons otherwise the commons deteriorates.
>
> If someone breaks a rule, they should be subject to consequences.
>
> Is there no policy guideline surrounding physical violence in this
> commons??
>
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I am regularly moved by the sudo room community's compassion.
> >
> > However, allow me to re-iterate a selection of my original message, facts
> > and my personal positions that have not changed:
> >
> >> this is the second time in our new location (I was present the first
> time)
> >> ... of Elliot escalating a situation to a physical, even violent,
> response
> >> on his part.
> >
> >
> > We must differentiate patterns of behavior from isolated incidents. This
> is
> > a pattern, and I think it reasonable to anticipate the risk of repeat
> > behavior.
> >
> >> I am no longer willing to tolerate this behavior
> >
> >
> > Nor do I believe anyone should.
> >
> >> [Elliot's continued participation is] ... a greater cost, and even
> greater
> >> potential risk, than a revocation of his privilege to use the space.
> >
> >
> > Consequences are hard to deal with, but we, as individuals, must hold
> > ourselves and each other responsible for our actions.
> >
> > It has become more and more obvious to me that when individuals take
> > advantage of their access to the commons, it is most critical for our
> > community to act as stewards, to show resolve that such behavior will
> not be
> > tolerated, and that paths to reconciliation begin with recognizing that,
> if
> > necessary, the privilege to access the commons can, and will, be taken
> away.
> >
> > // Matt
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> The path forward for those interested in pursuing this issue is to put
> it
> >> on the sudoroom meeting agenda, and show up prepared to discuss a
> proposal.
> >> No one involved in this issue was present at the sudo room meeting last
> >> night. In all honesty we could really use more participation in those
> >> meetings by regular members other than Marc, myself and Matt.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Jenny
> >>
> >> On 01/15/2015 11:51 AM, Eske Silver wrote:
> >> > Thanks for the comments, and update.
> >> > Hopefully we'll figure out how to go about finding a solution for
> this.
> >> >
> >> > ~ Korl
> >> >
> >> > 500px.com/eske
> >> > 510.689.4484
> >> > On Jan 15, 2015 11:47 AM, "Ryan" <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Nothing was brought up at the meeting.
> >> > > On Jan 15, 2015 11:47 AM, "Ryan" <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> I fully support that with no edits, korl. I think it is full of
> >> > >> compassion and care for everyone.
> >> > >> On Jan 15, 2015 11:44 AM, "Eske Silver" <eske.silver at gmail.com>
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> Sent this a couple days go, but I forgot to hit 'reply all':
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> True, though, that we have parted ways with members, and guests,
> for
> >> > >>> less than [multiple physical incidents?] - comrade or not.
> >> > >>> While case-by-case is my prefered language, I also always stand
> by a
> >> > >>> Zero Tolerance for abuse toward another loving being.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> From what I've read, this seems the logical mean answer:
> >> > >>> For the sake of Safer Spaces, let's ask that Elliot appreciate a
> >> > >>> request
> >> > >>> that they take leave, until we find a resolution...
> >> > >>> For the sake of nuance and case-by-case, I'd bet we could find
> >> > >>> someone
> >> > >>> who's known Elliot for a handful of human time increments, who
> would
> >> > >>> be so
> >> > >>> kind as to reach out to Elliot. This person might then glean
> what's
> >> > >>> going
> >> > >>> on with Elliot, and how he feels we (all) should/can procede with
> >> > >>> these
> >> > >>> issues.
> >> > >>> Then, for the sake of precident, if Elliot is willing and able, we
> >> > >>> can
> >> > >>> follow the guide and set on to conflict resolution...
> >> > >>> The rest is (in theory) easy, I'd say.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Any edits?
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> ~ Korl
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> ~ Korl
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> 500px.com/eske
> >> > >>> 510.689.4484
> >> > >>>
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Jenny
> >> http://jennyryan.net
> >> http://sudomesh.org
> >> http://thevirtualcampfire.org
> >> http://technomadic.tumblr.com
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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