[sudo-discuss] [BAPS-Organizing] Re: [omni-discuss] Replacing the term "bottom-liner" with..?

[niki]

I don't know who you are, Ed Rippy, but I can't wait to meet you IRL!

Love these thoughts and hope we can expand on them / work to develop
actionable solutions / experiments.

<3

Niki

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 11:06 PM, Ed Rippy <ed.rippy at mindspring.com> wrote:

>
> On 01/11/2015 10:17 PM, Michael Nicoloff wrote:
>
>> I know on the BAPS side of things there's been on-and-off problems with
>> finding enough people to bottom-line classes, and that often the duties of
>> bottom-lining have unevenly fallen on a few key people, so that even if the
>> name bottom-liner hasn't struck me as a problem, the organizing practice
>> has at times felt built on shaky ground. What in theory is a non-coercive,
>> equal, from-each-to-each kind of horizontalism becomes not so much that in
>> practice, with responsibility (and power) concentrating/burdening a small
>> number of folks.
>>
>
> -- This always happens. Democracy is a great ideal, & it wd be even
> greater if our fundamental equality as human beans translated into equality
> of work output. It doesn't for a lot of reasons. This is the toughest part
> of the whole process.
>
>    The only way to reduce this problem is for more people to step up. This
> is very tough, because pretty much all of us are overextended anyway, but
> it's still crucial. We all grow up in a society where just about everything
> happens because someone gets paid to bottomline it. If we want to create an
> alternative we need to deprogram ourselves & realize that there ain't
> no-one else to do it. Many of us are also programmed to feel that we aren't
> good enough and can't be 'leaders.' This is what we have to transform if
> sudo room or omni is gonna survive. Unfortunately I can't offer a whole lot
> myself, but I'll think of something. One thing I've learned is that little
> things add up.
>
>    We need to know ea. other & trust ea. other if we're really going to
> work together. And we need to believe that our efforts will actually pay
> off -- that they'll be well received & help create some great experience.
>
>
>> So I feel like lurking under concerns about the name are questions of
>> organization, of how to ensure a horizontalism not just in name but also in
>> reality, and so it seems like any discussion of renaming the bottom-liner
>> task is also going to have to take a real look at our practices as
>> collectives. Maybe I'm getting a little far afield here, but it seems like
>> pulling on the thread of what to call what we're calling a bottom-liner
>> pulls a lot of other issues with it.
>>
> -- Me 2. The term "bottom-liner" has gotten pretty traditional, & I can't
> think of any great alternatives. "Project Manager?" Gack. We can change the
> name if we like, but IMO it's more important to talk about what the
> bottlenecks are & how we can be creative working together so more people
> feel like getting involved. I'm a newb here so I don't know the
> issues/specifics, but I've been an activist long enough to know the
> pattern. We need to hack our mindsets so that we all see a little bit of
> organizing/bottomlining here & there as part of a fun life.
>
> Cheers,
> Ed Rippy
>
>
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