[sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] Elliot Hughes

[niki]

> WRT Elliot, I haven't been around enough lately to know, but it sounds
> like we've kicked out many strangers for less and never thought twice.
> It's so much easier to be lenient with a familiar face, but that's not
> "fair"...

I think the notion of a universal fairness that can be applied to all
people in all situations is kind of problematic... I think applying (or
claiming to apply) the same rules in every instance fails to take into
consideration things such as upbringing, culture, class, education, mental
and or emotional ability.

I do think we should take into account the person and their relationship to
our community.  Obviously, if someone is making someone feel unsafe, I
think it's okay to ask them to leave but the reason why strangers are often
kicked out for less w/out thinking twice is generally because the
relationship that *is* the community is not there in the same way it is for
people who we interact with every day.

I don't have an answer and I know that's probably annoying but I would like
us to challenge a cookie-cutter approach to dealing with individuals and
situations - at least to have a conversation about it even if we continue
to employ the existing model in the meantime.

Maybe implementing a system that is more nuanced is impossible on a larger
scale but I would like to consider it. A topic for visioning / strategy
session, perhaps...

N



On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 4:11 PM, yar <yardenack at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Eske Silver <eske.silver at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > We do already (or damn oughta) have precident for these interactions...
>
> Sudoroom has many long-standing policies for this. First, any Sudoroom
> member is empowered to ask a non-member to leave at any time. Second,
> when a person's presence makes someone else feel unsafe, we ask them
> to leave and not return until the end of a conflict resolution process
> (if they want one). The process involves a mediator and steward having
> private meetings and then reporting back afterwards. Facts and
> arguments are not hashed out at a public meeting unless the process
> has failed spectacularly. We've never had to do that.
>
> Sudoroom values fairness, but we have always prioritized safety over
> fairness.
>
> WRT Elliot, I haven't been around enough lately to know, but it sounds
> like we've kicked out many strangers for less and never thought twice.
> It's so much easier to be lenient with a familiar face, but that's not
> "fair"...
> _______________________________________________
> sudo-discuss mailing list
> sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org
> https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20150112/3dd34a96/attachment.html>