[sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] Proposed Safe Space Ban: Perry

[Ryan]

TBC I don't need a cis man telling me how I should proceed after I was
sexually assaulted.

TBC I don't need a cis man euphemizing a sexual predator's behavior.

TBC I don't need a cis man "researching" the situation to see if there were
more incidents.

TBC I don't need a cis man adding to the tone policing in this thread.

TBC you are mansplaining right now Steve, and that's the last fucking thing
I need right now.


On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Steve Bloom <stevebloom55 at gmail.com> wrote:

> TBC, yar, your statement necessarily had implications for what Al said.
> It could have been phrased to not do that even while still expressing
> support for Ryan.  Korl can think it was unconstructive without taking it
> personally.  I don't think the subsequent statement that Korl has something
> to learn here was helpful.
>
> That said, let's not lose track of the fact that Perry has serious
> loss-of-boundary issues when he drinks (which seems to be frequently).  My
> own experience (two experiences actually) is that he doesn't single people
> out for that (I got it too), but it's absolutely the case that the same
> behavior that was non-threatening for me will be very threatening for
> others.  (Something I need to bear in mind going foward; probably I should
> have asked if there have been other such incidents.)
>
> I'm a little murky on the process here.  I mean, this open discussion
> isn't going to be used for some sort of vote, right?
>
> Assuming this from David K. is correct --
>
> "Yes, any member (but not guest) is empowered to temporarily ban -
> pending conflict mediation - anyone else so following a safe space
> violation which is what this is."
>
> -- then it seems that all Ryan has to do is say that Perry is banned,
> following which a conflict mediation process is initiated.  If Ryan didn't
> feel that his and (as related) Ribre's particular experience was sufficient
> and so was asking others, then what Jenny and I added (and David K.,
> although he didn't provide details of the incidents) seems like more than
> enough.
>
> Returning to Ryan's original comment --
>
> "Regardless, I ask that Perry be banned from the Omni, pending mediation,
> as his actions clearly violate our safe space policy and he refused to take
> action to alter his behaviour."
>
> -- it seems to me that maybe it not being phrased as a statement may have
> engendered confusion.  So maybe just do that, Ryan?  TBC, apparently you
> don't need to ask anyone, and as noted if what you wanted was corroboration
> you have plenty.
>
> As for the policy discussion, if Al or anyone wants to pursue that I
> suggest they do it in a different thread.
>
> Thanks to all.
>
> -- Steve
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 8:12 AM, yar <yardenack at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 1:06 AM, Soenke <soenkeveirls at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Ok.
>> > For the record...
>> > If this is how you all are going to conduct ourselves, and treat each
>> other,
>> > I don't really want to be a part of it anymore.
>> > This is absurd.
>> > I thought we were trying to be better people here.
>> > But I suppose I was wrong.
>> >
>> > Extremely sarcastically, I apologize for speaking up.
>> >
>> > Have a good weekend everyone.
>>
>> Hey Korl, with nothing but respect, I was just trying to express
>> solidarity with Ryan without making it about you. To me this is about
>> having a safe space where people aren't assaulted or misgendered.
>> There is nothing personal against you here. I hope you can learn to
>> see that.
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