[sudo-discuss] RAYC's membership

Sun Feb 1 14:46:05 PST 2015

Niki, I agree that it's important to approach new folks - apologies if my earlier message was less than loving.  I was happy and appreciative at first with RAYC, but it became much too much. I'll add that other individuals I've spoken with have stated that RAYC's presence is a major reason why they don't come to Omni anymore (happy to clarify on that off-thread).

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On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:09 PM, niki <niki.shelley at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm glad that there are people here who are looking out / engaging w/people
> they don't know, honestly.
> I'll talk to RAYC about the "enthusiasm" with which he does so. I'd
> encourage others in the community to do the same. Let's recognize that RAYC
> does seem to have the community's best interests at heart and to
> communicate lovingly.
> <3
> N
> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Danny Spitzberg <stationaery at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> I believe I met RAYC last Tuesday - 5'10"ish, short hair, rapid talker -
>> he got all up in my face repeatedly as I was doing inventory of a/v
>> equipment for the Omni wiki. I was clearly using a clipboard and camera
>> with intention to record info, working with Kwe, but RAYC hit me with a
>> litany of questions lik,e Hey are you new here, Hey are you looking for
>> anyone, Hey can I help you find something... As if he was security at his
>> own club house. I told him repeatedly what I was doing and why and said
>> thanks but no thanks for his help and he persisted.
>>
>>  No harm no foul, I guess, but that was super-duper aggravating.
>>
>>  I'm unclear what RAYC's status is with Sudo and/or Omni, but wanted to
>> add this for the record.
>>
>> Happy Sunday!
>>
>> D
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Torrie Fischer <tdfischer at hackerbots.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Feel free to try throwing more mediation at RAYC. You'll be sorely
>>> disappointed.
>>>
>>> We tried for months to talk him down and convince him that there was no
>>> conspiracy. Mitch tried to have a meeting with him to talk about it but
>>> RAYC
>>> disrespected Mitch's time by canceling a few minutes before it started. I
>>> personally wandered around in the mission until 2am with him while I
>>> tried to
>>> talk with him and convince him that while we all love him and are
>>> appreciative
>>> of his contributions, he needs to take a vacation. Instead I got screamed
>>> at
>>> and told that I'm part of the problem.
>>>
>>> Noisebridge has collectively addressed the problem by excluding him from
>>> participation in the community. We tried. He is physically incapable of
>>> receiving mediation.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 08, 2015 12:16:06 PM Sam Tepper wrote:
>>> > There are many complaints that NB members (and a few sudo co-members)
>>> > have against Rayc. Not all of them are valid, but we should not
>>> > oversimplify this out of respect for everyone's perceptions and
>>> > viewpoints. Rayc certainly will need to make a written statement (as
>>> > was mentioned at the meeting), which should resolve some of this and
>>> > take it to a more factual realm.
>>> >
>>> > From my understanding, there have been some attempts at NB for
>>> > conflict mediation, yet nobody has fully followed through with the
>>> > process. The issues are involved enough that I believe that agreeing
>>> > upon a moderator or mediator, in this case, might be appropriate.
>>> >
>>> > Rayc has certainly contributed positively to Sudo and NB, yet there
>>> > are certain specific actions and incidents which perhaps still need to
>>> > be addressed.
>>> >
>>> > On 01/08/2015 11:55 AM, hol at gaskill.com wrote:
>>> > > That's what people felt - we needed more time to establish how he
>>> > > intends to use the space and interact w/ others. Also discussed was
>>> > > that really, we should probably take this time for ALL new members
>>> > > instead of just giving it a week.
>>> > >
>>> > > Please anyone interested consider proposing amendments to our
>>> > > membership process:
>>> > >
>>> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#Section_2.1.0_Process_fo
>>> > > r_becoming_a_member>
>>> > > Here are some notes from noisebridge meetings below, just did a
>>> > >
>>> > > little digging today
>>> > >
>>> > > Banned for 6 months - agrees to stay out for that time:
>>> > > https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2014_03_11
>>> > >
>>> > > Comes up for perma-ban, which is blocked:
>>> > > https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2014_03_18
>>> > >
>>> > > Discussion for 2 meetings RE unbanning:
>>> > > https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2014_04_22
>>> > > https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2014_04_29
>>> > >
>>> > > Sounds like one of the main people pushing for his ban was also
>>> > > banned and/or removed from the 'council' but either way, the
>>> > > consensus was that we will proceed with an open mind and listen to
>>> > > all the facts.
>>> > >
>>> > > Cheers
>>> > >
>>> > > On 2015-01-08 11:34, Adam Munich wrote:
>>> > >> From what I've gathered from his discussions about it there was
>>> > >> apparently some sort of miscommunication between the people
>>> > >> running Noisebridge and electricians, which rayc tried to
>>> > >> resolve. The people who were supposed to be doing the job didn't
>>> > >> like that somehow.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Granted that's only his side of the story and I don't know the
>>> > >> other side, but overall rayc has been rather valuable in keeping
>>> > >> sudo clean and organized. I feel like it's worth giving him a
>>> > >> chance.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Cheers, -Adam On Jan 8, 2015 11:04 AM, <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
>>> > >> It was already blocked by several people due to some concerns -
>>> > >> among them is that he didn't mention the situation RE Noisebridge
>>> > >> at all until prompted, which didn't convey a sense of openness
>>> > >> and honesty. I believe someone is reaching out to him to get more
>>> > >> info on the situation so probably best not to make it the subject
>>> > >> of a meeting until there's been a chance to hear everyone out
>>> > >> offline. I left at 10:30 so may have missed who that was - if it
>>> > >> wasn't delegated to anyone I'll contact him.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> cheers
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On 2015-01-08 10:02, Torrie Fischer wrote: Hei, sudo room.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I want to avoid as much conflict as possible here on discuss@ so
>>> > >> I'll state up front that I would really rather folks talk to me
>>> > >> in person or off list in response to this.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I had every intention of coming to Sudo last night as I
>>> > >> infrequently do to see whats up and hack on things and spend more
>>> > >> time in the space. My knee disagreed to I went home instead.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Had I made it I would've certainly blocked RAYC's membership.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I plan on showing up at Sudo Room next week to have a legitimate
>>> > >> block in person since phoning it in as I'm doing in this e-mail
>>> > >> is bullshit and we all know that. I would appreciate it a bunch
>>> > >> if others were around to hear me elaborate about my principled
>>> > >> objection and give feedback if it has any standing. I also don't
>>> > >> think its all that excellent of an idea to try and discuss this
>>> > >> on a wednesday night when folks want to just get together and be
>>> > >> positive, so I'll certainly be making more of an effort to be at
>>> > >> the space before then for discussion.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Again, I'm not going to respond to this on the list but feel free
>>> > >> to poke me off-list or AFK :)
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