[sudo-discuss] Sudoroom electrical plans

Fri Sep 5 14:38:39 PDT 2014

Hi all,

I would also like to bring up the topic of upgrading the electrical on the
CCL side of the hall as well. It sounds like we may need to do all the
electrical permitting (and/or inspection?) at the same time anyway. So if
someone can give us a hand getting our upgrade plans in order, that would
be greatly appreciated! At the very minimum we need to make sure that the
Sudo upgrades don't get delayed by the slower pace of upgrades on the CCL
side.

I'd love to help out with some of the hands-on work in Sudo as well, if you
can use some more relatively unskilled labor - we'll need to learn those
skills for the CCL side anyway.

CCL hasn't been pushing ahead on electrical upgrades as quickly as Sudo,
since we have other construction work that needs to be done before we can
start plugging in a lot of our equipment. We still need to do a thorough
inventory of how much power we need where, but at a minimum, we will have 3
or 4 fridge/freezers running continuously, one oven (autoclave), plus two
or more microwaves and lots of other pieces of equipment that only need
intermittent power. We would like to install outlets all along the walls,
and a couple additional outlets (and maybe light fixtures) in the storage
rooms. And like in Sudo, the suggestion of dropping power cords down from
one of the rafters has come up as well...

The CCL side of the hall is on a couple of different circuits from Sudo.
The black wall with all the fridges goes to a single 15A breaker in the
subpanel on our side of the stage, which is obviously not enough for all of
the equipment that is currently located along that wall. The two storage
rooms seem to be fed directly from the main panel in the utility room. And
the lights in the storage rooms may or may not go to an upstairs panel that
we don't currently have access to - needs some more investigation (does
anyone have a circuit breaker tracer we could borrow?)

Anyone willing to give us a hand?

Thanks!

Patrik

On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Whitney Lawrence <whitneyel3 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Howdy,
> Let me begin with thanking you for looking at the proposal. Your
> interpretation of the plans is correct.{ Main -> above stage panel ->
> balcony panel } is how the proposed plan is drawn. There is enough room in
> the balcony panel (which is the one located in the small room that shares a
> wall with the server loft of sudoroom) to accomplish phase 1 of the
> proposal. The proposal is based on instruction received to minimize cost.
> Ideally, there would be a main panel breaker that supplies a sub panel for
> all of sudo's needs (phase 1 and phase 2). I can't accurately guess at a
> cost number for this type of installation. Figure a 100amp sub with
> hundreds of feet of 2awg plus breaker box plus breakers plus conduit plus
> hardware. All depending on if the main service can even handle the
> additional power demands (hiring an electrician to run the calcs). Ballpark
> $3-5k maybe- but its really a shot in the dark?
>
> My experience with this type of thing is there is always a better way to
> do it, if you go the money.
>
> A middle road is to plan on having the future sudo-sub panel placed near
> the balcony panel. Build in an extra 5ft or so of wire for the future
> transition into the new sudo-sub panel. All that would be needed is to
> remove the breakers from the old box re-run wire from J-box 1 to the new
> sudo-sub, as well as re-routing the 240V lines from the above stage panel
> to the sudo-sub (and of course preform all the main -> suod-sub work).
>
> as far as existing vs proposed. only the sub panels mentioned above exist
> currently- I'll make a note to call out the existing stuff in the drawings.
>
> Thanks,
> Whit
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Cere Mona Davis <ceremona at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone.  It's the first time I have looked at these plans and I have
>> some questions and thoughts.  Dave said he won't be able to respond to this
>> email until a couple of days as he is out in the boonies somewhere.  So I
>> am writing in to expedite some issues that I think he will likely bring up
>> in the days ahead.
>>
>> Whit, thanks for drawing up these plans!  For someone who is not
>> intimately familiar with our electrical layout the plans might need a more
>> clear description of existing electrical vs. proposed new electrical,
>> however.
>>
>> In multiple conversations with Dave (and one on-site visit) he has
>> mentioned repeatedly that we will want to shoot for putting in another sub
>> panel for the sudoroom off of the main panel as the end-game; rather than
>> daisy-chaining off of an existing panel (the balcony) as what seems to be
>> proposed here.   If we can't immediately put in a sub panel into the room,
>> due to cost, we should at-least be planning for conduit and wiring paths,
>> etc that allows for a sudoroom sub-panel in the future.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>> -Cere
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:23 AM, <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Thanks Yar!  Whit can you liaise w/ Dave RE how much of the work is
>>> going to be done under the first permit?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Hol
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2014-09-04 23:16, yar wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all, Dave Pedroli is a certified electrician who's offered to
>>> review our plans to give them an okay. I'm copying him and the people
>>> who've been most involved with electrical work.
>>>
>>> Dave, the latest plans are attached, and also available online[1 <https://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/2014-August/007369.html>].
>>> Could you please look them over and write us a few formal-sounding
>>> sentences that boil down to "hello I am a real electrician and I say
>>> these plans are solid"? This will help us make the landlord happy so
>>> he will let us do them. Thank you!!
>>>
>>> [1] https://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/2014-August/007369.html
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>> Cere Davis
>> ceremona at gmail.com
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