[sudo-discuss] [omni-consensus] [backspace] Re: [BAPS-Organizing] Re: Backspace Space proposal

Tue Oct 21 13:18:28 PDT 2014

Using names which are on the wiki here (and in the proposal):
https://omnicommons.org/mediawiki/images/1/1e/Omni_full_floorplan.png

The proposal was for:

Dedicated Space:

BDRM 2, STORAGE 1

Shared Space 50%:

DEN & BDRM

Please use these names when talking about space.

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Cere Mona Davis <ceremona at gmail.com>
wrote:

> In which case I don't understand the point of even specifying that BWC
> would use the 3rd room as a change?  In theory that 3rd room, as a shared
> space, is usable by all collective members and it's not explicitly stated.
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:35 AM, margaretha haughwout <
> margaretha.anne.haughwout at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No we are exploring co-administration with other groups so that classes
>> could be taught in the disco. 2 dedicated rooms.
>>
>> margaretha anne haughwout
>> uncli*que* <http://beforebefore.net>, disconnect
>> <margaretha.anne.haughwout at gmail.com>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Cere Mona Davis <ceremona at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So, to clarify is Backspace going to be asking for 3 "dedicated" rooms,
>>> one of which will be the disco room now run by OmniDance?  If they are
>>> dedicated solely to BWC I don't see how the comment about BWC and BAPS
>>> co-"administering" the space fits.
>>>
>>>
>>>> In our next proposal iteration we will seek a trial period for these
>>>> rooms of 3 months. At this point, everything is conjecture. Is it too much
>>>> space, is it too little? Will it feel like a welcoming place for those
>>>> seeking wellness? Will BWC and BAPS get along in administering the space,
>>>> does the ADA lift need to go in, etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> margaretha anne haughwout
>>>> uncli*que* <http://beforebefore.net>, disconnect
>>>> <margaretha.anne.haughwout at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 1:31 AM, David Keenan <dkeenan44 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> After reading through all the responses on this I am hearted by the
>>>>> support for Backspace and how far it has come. I am obviously in total
>>>>> support of a wellness collective at the omni, and personally have over the
>>>>> last year spent a lot of time working *extremely* hard specifically
>>>>> on this point in pretty much every way I could - since we got this Omni
>>>>> thing going, I have probably worked harder on making backspace a wellness
>>>>> collective than any other group including BAPS. Actually Backspace, before
>>>>> you are disheartened by the concerns that must be aired in this current
>>>>> process, I think its fair to say Backspace has over time been more nurtured
>>>>> and gotten more support from the rest of the OOC than any other group, in
>>>>> spite of the financial commitment issue. I thank my lucky stars that
>>>>> Margaretha in particular has made unbelieveable effort to get wellness into
>>>>> backspace, and make backspace awesome. Andrew deserves a huge amount of
>>>>> credit for his patience, generosity and incredible flexibility really with
>>>>> respect to Backspace's evolution and mission.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I am not in support of this proposal as it is currently
>>>>> articulated for one reason: With respect to the use of space, I think it is
>>>>> *too* limiting for Backspace, and at the same time it also has
>>>>> unnecessarily negative and significant downstream effects for others,
>>>>> especially any other group without dedicated space (community groups, etc).
>>>>> The 'den' in particular in my view should not be privileged to any one
>>>>> group.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why? Well:
>>>>>
>>>>> Backspace can *already* use *all* the currently-common spaces in the
>>>>> Omni for its intended consultations, classes and events, not just
>>>>> privileged use of this or that room. In this way, as Don actually pointed
>>>>> out in a way, the current proposal outlining all the specific rooms they
>>>>> want privileged use of versus not, actually *limits* the space
>>>>> Backspace already has at its disposal - and it limits it for others too,
>>>>> since especially those without dedicated space are as a result conversely
>>>>> unprivileged (and left presumably to fight for the scraps of remaining
>>>>> 'commons' that they can then have their own privileged use over). It's a
>>>>> funny sort of forest-for-the-trees occlusion of how space can be
>>>>> effectively used that's going on within the proposal I think, but it's a
>>>>> serious one because it speaks directly to the heart of what a radical
>>>>> commoning of space is and shapes the very concept of what 'sharing'
>>>>> equitably means, at this crucial axis of praxis right now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Currently, *without* Backspace;s proposal for new
>>>>> dedicated/privileged space, Backspace could schedule yoga or martial arts
>>>>> classes in the ballroom, or the 'den' room or, with OMNIdance's permission,
>>>>> the disco room (who have already offered this resource to Backspace in
>>>>> several delegate meetings).
>>>>>
>>>>> One-on-one Backspace consultations can *already* be had in the
>>>>> 'eyeball room', the ticketbooth room once it is finished, or TIL's old room
>>>>> (aka kids room aka 'Storage 1')... or OMP's basement rooms, or the 'bunker
>>>>> room' (aka plotting room), etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding locked rooms, I have talked with Margaretha several times in
>>>>> the past about the need to lock up sensitive tinctures and supplies, and
>>>>> from what she told me they could be locked up in a cabinet, and would not
>>>>> need to take up a whole room. Likewise we talked about locking up massage
>>>>> tables and so on, and figured out places where they might safely be stored
>>>>> that would not leave a whole room empty and unavailable for people to meet
>>>>> in when it was not used. In other words there does not appear to be a need
>>>>> for a locked room, when there can simply be locked cabinets or lockers.
>>>>> (This is very similar issue to what came up initially with the RLL
>>>>> proposal.) Given this, if we all treat the rooms in our Commons with
>>>>> respect as we should, why can't this be an Omni 'members' only area along
>>>>> with the rest of the building?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, all these common spaces and rooms must currently be scheduled and
>>>>> shared with other collectives. But I don't understand why this is bad? or
>>>>> something that would 'stymie' Backspace in any way at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> To me it is rather a huge amount of space for Backspace, far more than
>>>>> they had in their initial commitment (since collapsed) for $2K/mo. If in
>>>>> fact we as a commons run out of space for a wellness collective to operate
>>>>> along with the rest of us inside of 22K sq.feet, massive areas of which are
>>>>> still shared and available for precisely such purposes and with that intent
>>>>> all along, it will be precisely *because* too many rooms and spaces
>>>>> are being taken or edge out of the what is commonly available and allocated
>>>>> to or 'privileged' for specific people.
>>>>>
>>>>> That this staking out of space was *already happening* is probably
>>>>> why Backspace is so worried about not having any space, leading them to
>>>>> stake this claim with such urgency. Backspacers, I feel I understand this
>>>>> fear very well, and believe it or not is why I counterintuitively proposed
>>>>> that BAPS have a bit of space for its own 'privileged' use. As all those at
>>>>> the BAPS meetings when I proposed this to BAPS can attest, the BAPS
>>>>> proposal was articulated from the start as a conspiracy: Actually BAPS
>>>>> wants the remaining common space including all the space BAPS proposed for
>>>>> its supposed privileged use, to remain in common *for everyone*. If
>>>>> the proposal passed, we would ensure that it would remain common as we
>>>>> always have (and currently continue to do by not having dedicated space and
>>>>> demonstrating how this is not just possible but effective). If the BAPS
>>>>> proposal didn't pass, we would hear objections within the OOC from people
>>>>> saying "no, it's important to have a commons and shared space", and that
>>>>> would be a win also for the commons - in that others would begin advocating
>>>>> clearly for the virtues of shared space, articulations which in our view
>>>>> was sorely needed from others, not just BAPS. I realize now theres a
>>>>> commons working group which is *amazing*, but there wasn't then, and
>>>>> I got tired of seeing proposed floorplans without BAPS or any shared
>>>>> commons aside from the ballroom even on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The allotment of space, time and rent in the omni should to my mind be
>>>>> based on not just one group's needs and abilities, but the needs and
>>>>> abilities of everyone else in the commons, too: It should be inherently
>>>>> relational, not territorial. There is no demonstrated need for Backspace to
>>>>> have dedicated or privileged use of room X or Y, especially when they can
>>>>> use every common room in the building along with their comrades.
>>>>>
>>>>> If Backspace gets so popular that they do run out of rooms to schedule
>>>>> comfortably with other groups who are also here and have a right to them
>>>>> too, why not deal with that problem when we get to it? Too much business
>>>>> doesn't sound like that bad of a problem to have. I see no good reason why
>>>>> we can't all share space *equally*.
>>>>>
>>>>> The downstream effect here is that carving up the remaining common
>>>>> space will and has already led others to be inclined to do the same thing,
>>>>> instead of sharing as equals, and then there will only be a 'commons' of
>>>>> like 2 rooms in the whole building, and as someone who cares about the
>>>>> commons and the health of the whole project more than just any one group in
>>>>> the project, that concerns me most. To me this sort of fear is exactly the
>>>>> kind of 'hypothetical' anti-pattern that Yar talks about, and a fear that
>>>>> becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy in that acting on it by staking out
>>>>> space away from the commons actualizes the problem itself - maybe not for
>>>>> backspace anymore, but certainly for others like BAPS, or all the other
>>>>> community groups at large without any space at all who we would like to
>>>>> meet here and for whom I thought this space could be a resource.
>>>>>
>>>>> I say this as someone who fought and worked *very* hard for the
>>>>> concept of backspace as a wellness collective - incorporated backspace,
>>>>> signed the lease for backspace, defended backspace's previously-chosen
>>>>> dedicated space at many many meetings and one on one - and most importantly
>>>>> implored my community and everyone I knew with an interest in wellness to
>>>>> participate and make it happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> I care far too much - exclusively practically - about the wellness of
>>>>> the *entire* collective and the effort as a whole in its mission as a
>>>>> commons. Through the input of many people whom I love and respect, I
>>>>> realized that I needed to actually care less about this effort, and care
>>>>> more for myself. With a bit of distance I can say that I now speak with a
>>>>> sense of love and appreciation for every group including Backspace, but
>>>>> beyond any one group, its that for this to remain a commons, we should try
>>>>> to operate from a space of radical sharing before deciding in advance that
>>>>> it would never work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Love,
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 5:16 PM, margaretha haughwout <
>>>>> margaretha.anne.haughwout at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is really wonderful everyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THANK YOU <3 <3 <3
>>>>>>
>>>>>> margaretha anne haughwout
>>>>>> uncli*que* <http://beforebefore.net>, disconnect
>>>>>> <margaretha.anne.haughwout at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Donald Hughes <
>>>>>> kamiyodojo.ca at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    So what I am hearing is that we are all supportive of each
>>>>>>> other.  I hear general consensus on Backspace being able to schedule time
>>>>>>> in the Dance Room, the Den, and the downstairs space next to the lift.  No
>>>>>>> one wants any one else to not be able to have access to these spaces, but
>>>>>>> we would like the ability to begin scheduling in these rooms. I hear people
>>>>>>> not being opposed to the idea that we get the EyeBall room and that it is
>>>>>>> lockable.  So it seems as though we have the rudiments of agreement.
>>>>>>>     Nikki, I would like to address what you are asking for.  We need
>>>>>>> to have something certain to give to other professionals who would like to
>>>>>>> use the space for healing or classes.  This has not yet manifested, so it
>>>>>>> is difficult to tell you exactly what the time and space looks like as of
>>>>>>> yet.  My goal would be that we have this mostly fleshed out by November
>>>>>>> 1st, and have everything totally solidified by December 1st.
>>>>>>>    But what I think we can do in the meantime, is offer basically
>>>>>>> our proposal.  Which is to have scheduling power over 50% of the Den.  But
>>>>>>> we also want to be able to schedule time in the other spaces in conjunction
>>>>>>> with the other collectives who want a say in those spaces.  To my mind it
>>>>>>> seems fair that when we schedule something in other spaces we give up some
>>>>>>> of our scheduling time in the Den.  But none of this is worked out.  I just
>>>>>>> think this is something that could be fair and will work.
>>>>>>>   In order to move forward on a Nov1st start date for the clinic, we
>>>>>>> would need the ability to schedule time at least in the EyeBall room, which
>>>>>>> I would like to start calling the clinic room.  We would need this ASAP as
>>>>>>> it will take a process to get new members who are willing to pay money for
>>>>>>> space to do their practices.  I hope this helps us to move forward.  Note
>>>>>>> that these are my opinions and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of
>>>>>>> the rest of Backspace.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 4:07 PM, niki <niki.shelley at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Agreed! Thank you, Yar!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also want to assure everyone involved that my bringing up issues
>>>>>>>> around money is meant only to make the material realities of this project
>>>>>>>> visible, so that there are no surprises and to encourage member groups to
>>>>>>>> be explicit about what they can and cannot contribute. It's important that
>>>>>>>> we reconfigure our expenses to reflect changes in member groups
>>>>>>>> contributions in order to accurately project our needs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That said, I had a conversation with Margaretha some time ago in
>>>>>>>> which I said that having Backspace involved in the Omni was way more
>>>>>>>> important to me than their financial contribution.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know it's very hard for us to talk about money. I am hopeful that
>>>>>>>> we can be clear and open so that we may begin to
>>>>>>>> replace feelings of shame, anxiety and anger around money with
>>>>>>>> feelings of compassion and support.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I LOVE BACKSPACE and really want to help support it in coming into
>>>>>>>> being in whatever way I can.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <3 <3
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> N
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Sara Larsen <
>>>>>>>> saralarsenyoga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I want to thank you Yar for this incredible letter. Needless to
>>>>>>>>> say, I support the views you expressed 100%!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Scott Nanos <
>>>>>>>>> scott.nanos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I agree 200% w/ yar and hope we can come to a conclusion that
>>>>>>>>>> works for all of us (particularly for backspace). I can't come to this
>>>>>>>>>> thurs meeting but my fingers are crossed double crossed triple crossed.
>>>>>>>>>> Hoping Baps and backspace can team up to become champions of the commons <3
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Xo
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:28 AM, yar <yardenack at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 12:58 PM, yar <yardenack at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> It's not your fault, it's not anybody else's fault either. I
>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>> >> hope the confusion isn't interpreted as bad faith or a lack of
>>>>>>>>>> >> support. We all need to get better at that, of course, but
>>>>>>>>>> also get
>>>>>>>>>> >> better at forgiving each others' mistakes, in the spirit of
>>>>>>>>>> jubilee.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > I want to just reiterate this in light of the past few days of
>>>>>>>>>> > conversation. I have heard a lot of different narratives about
>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>> > happened with Backspace over the past few months. I don't claim
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> > know exactly what happened anymore, but it seems to boil down
>>>>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>>>>> > huge string of communication failures that resulted in Backspace
>>>>>>>>>> > paying for space to operate, yet having no space until now.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > At Thursday's meeting, the subject of past-due utility bills
>>>>>>>>>> came up,
>>>>>>>>>> > but it seems apropos to mention that lots of Omni groups have
>>>>>>>>>> not paid
>>>>>>>>>> > utility bills, or even rent, and one of the amazing potential
>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>> > about Omni is our capacity to be a non-evil landlord - each
>>>>>>>>>> according
>>>>>>>>>> > to their ability and their need.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > It's clear that most backspace folks are WORKERS whose primary
>>>>>>>>>> concern
>>>>>>>>>> > is being able to see their clients and students and make a
>>>>>>>>>> living
>>>>>>>>>> > wage. It's also clear to me that the primary benefit of having
>>>>>>>>>> > Backspace at Omni is NOT the money they'd bring in, but the new
>>>>>>>>>> > people, energy and perspectives. It would REALLY SUCK if we
>>>>>>>>>> lost all
>>>>>>>>>> > that by fighting with them over money.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Other than money, the only other concern I'm hearing about this
>>>>>>>>>> > proposal is about space. While I have expressed concerns about
>>>>>>>>>> > "enclosure" in the past, Backspace's plans for the den or
>>>>>>>>>> "storage
>>>>>>>>>> > room" are NOT enclosures. They're stewardship of commons. This
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> > exactly the model I always dreamed of for our building!
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Finally, there's BAPS. I think it might help to separate BAPS'
>>>>>>>>>> > pragmatic need to host many evening classes from BAPS' position
>>>>>>>>>> as a
>>>>>>>>>> > roving "nomadic" group without dedicated space, and both from
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> > concept of "enclosure". Because it seems to me like Backspace's
>>>>>>>>>> > pragmatic needs are similar to BAPS - to assemble in spaces and
>>>>>>>>>> occupy
>>>>>>>>>> > them for a finite period, for classes and 1-on-1 sessions. So
>>>>>>>>>> what are
>>>>>>>>>> > the ways we can frame this as a collaboration rather than a
>>>>>>>>>> > competition?
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > I think these problems would get solved a lot faster if we were
>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> > able to trust each other, the best path to building trust is for
>>>>>>>>>> > Backspace to begin operating at the Omni ASAP, and the best way
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> > that to happen is to show support and forgiveness all around.
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let us be together,
>>>>>>>>> Let us eat together,
>>>>>>>>> Let us be vital together,
>>>>>>>>> Let us be radiating truth,
>>>>>>>>> radiating the light of life,
>>>>>>>>> Never shall we denounce anyone,
>>>>>>>>> never entertain negativity.
>>>>>>>>> -- The Upanishads
>>>>>>>>>
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