[sudo-discuss] [BAPS-Organizing] Re: Backspace Space proposal

[D. Scott Nanos]

Sara,

what i offered last night was (i believe,) slightly different than what we
talked about in person, if i remember correctly. I think i even voiced the
same idea at that meeting...

my idea was to have no dedicated large space for either baps or backspace,
but to rather declare these areas as common spaces and ensure that both
BAPS and BS have the hours and space they need to hold classes/workshops
etc. The initial BS proposal was, I believe, one dedicated space for baps,
and some separate dedicated space for BS. I think i even remember asking
you right at the end to just include BAPS in your proposal w/o division of
common space, and then the next day i got the email that backspace was
removing baps from the proposal. Which is totally ok! I and some other
members want to wait one more week to see if there's any other way we could
go about the den, but i, as well as everyone at BAPS meeting last night, is
totally in favor of BS and the proposal! We/I love you and backspace!! <3

maybe this is too semantic and nit-picky and based on fear. maybe we do
need to have more good faith. these are questions i thought about last
night too... your concerns are warranted, and i feel them as well.
Also the necessity for large dedicated space for BAPS and BS might be
ultimately necessary. someone at Baps said last night that we may be
setting ourselves up to be pushed out of the omni due to our lofty ideals
and resistance to having dedicated space.

BAPS consented last night on giving BS designated space of porthole room
and TIL/kids room asap, and to wait one week to think about any creative
solution to the den. It's my thinking that essentially all BS needs right
now is a.) storage for mats tinctures etc etc, and b.) a small room for
1on1's. Right now, no one is using the den or the disco room in any
official manner so, our thinking at BAPS last night was that BS could
effectively start doing everything they wanted to right now, by having the
TIL/kids room and the porthole room (BS could even use the bunker/haunted
classroom in the interim until TIL moves upstairs)?

But also, this is all flexible, I'm personally not 100% sure about this
"counter-proposal" coming from BAPS, although at the moment it seems like
the best option, one that helps BS too and doesn't run the risk of making a
big decision too quickly? for the record, BAPS is also taking off our own
designated space proposal, to my knowledge, or is at the very least
rewording it so that it is common space as opposed to designated space,
with the assumption that BAPS and commons wg would work together on it (or
something like that- yesterday's meeting was constructive but confusing-
everyone is trying to do the best they can, i promise!)

that being said, there is *absolutely* (!) no one saying no to BS. BAPS
<3's BS. I <3 BS. BAPS <3 Sara. I <3 Sara. And i'm so sorry for the trouble
this is causing you!!!

BAPS strongly thinks that one more week would be a good idea (for the den
space only) in order to have a little more time to think creatively about
it. BAPS wants BS to have the other spaces ASAP b/c it seems like BS could
effectively start asap if ya'll had those spaces to use...

But also, nothing is set in stone, let's talk about this tonight with love.
It was even surprising how, w/in the Baps meeting, basically everyone had a
different opinion re: what to do about common space, space for BAPS, and
space for BS. But one thing is for certain, at least in my mind: that
Backspace will have everything it needs to function and thrive. I care so
much about healing and carework and i'm in desperate need of some care
myself (just got diagnosed with cubital tunnel syndrome on monday, and i'm
pretty sure i'm not the only bapser who suffers from it).

love,

Scott








On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Sara Larsen <saralarsenyoga at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Yar,
>
> Thanks so much for your email. I hope my email didn't sound like I think
> anyone at the omni is acting in bad faith, because I don't. Everyone is
> working hard to pull pieces together in a complex situation.
>
> I agree it's a complicated fog. My email was sent in the spirit of
> openness, honesty and I hope, healing. I took a risk in saying a lot of
> what I said in the hopes that others will also express the underlying
> feelings coming up around this project. Dealing openly with these things is
> one of the ways we can keep
> the culture of the Omni healthy.
>
> Yar, I appreciate your work as well, which I know is vast and not always
> easy!
>
> Re: my email about Scott's suggestion - I really just wanted to point out
> that we had already suggested what he suggested, and it was not a new idea.
> In my opinion, however, it is a good idea. My take away from that BAPS mtg
> was that BAPS members were not ready to commit then or likely later to this
> idea. I was encouraged to move forward with backspace on our own, which is
> what I brought back to Backspace and is what we did.
>
> BAPS has since changed their idea and relationship to space due to a push
> forward from some members who are worried about not having space. This is
> in progress. But that change happened AFTER our meeting and after backspace
> had taken the advice to move on. Being members of both groups at this time
> is challenging for me, for obvious reasons.
>
> Backspace's rush is that we need space to open so that we can make money
> so that we can pay rent and utilities to the Omni. If we can't do that, my
> guess is that we will have to disband and then the Omni would lose
> another member group, which I and I think no one else would like to see
> happen.
>
> Xo
>
>
> On Thursday, October 16, 2014, yar <yardenack at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, October 16, 2014, Scott Nanos <scott.nanos at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Crazy idea but I'm also a little worried that BAPS and commons
>> >> Wg don't have the labor power to handle all this commoning
>> (pragmatically
>> >> speaking, in the form of scheduling and organizing)...
>> >>
>> >> What if Baps, backspace, and commons wg all teamed up on these common
>> >> spaces, granting *x* amount of privileged hours in specific areas for
>> >> collectives?
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:18 AM, Sara Larsen <saralarsenyoga at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > However, I feel like your suggestion is exactly what I was trying to
>> move
>> > forward with the BAPS backspace proposal that BAPS recently voted
>> against
>> > moving forward with!
>>
>> Is that what happened? I didn't go to every single meeting but my
>> understanding was that BAPS were still open to it but needed more time
>> to talk about it and make up their minds, and Backspace just doesn't
>> want to wait any longer. It seemed (from the outside) like this
>> urgency and time pressure for Backspace was the biggest reason why
>> things didn't work out that way.
>>
>> It's not that I blame you. I can imagine how frustrating it is to try
>> to organize a bunch of skeptical bodyworkers to do their work at Omni,
>> this weird building full of construction debris, contentious politics,
>> dysfunctional processes and so on. Trying to create a wellness
>> collective at Omni at this time is an ambitious goal and I fully
>> recognize and respect all the emotional labor that I've seen you and
>> other Backspace folks put into it, Sara, and I want it to succeed too.
>> I think the new energy and people you guys bring in will be an
>> especially valuable thing for all of us and our communities.
>>
>> I only hope that you can try not to blame the rest of us either for
>> the difficult situation. We've all been working very hard with what we
>> have. I feel like we're reaching at each other through a fog of fear,
>> uncertainty and doubt, trying to make high-stakes decisions that might
>> affect us all years into the future, when we only have a few months or
>> even weeks of experience being in some of our spaces and learning to
>> know and trust all the people.
>>
>> There are so many rooms with different names. It's been 24 hours since
>> your proposal and it's taken us this long just to be sure exactly
>> which rooms you're talking about. There's confusion over what
>> commoning means (the commons wg only started meeting 2 weeks ago),
>> what scheduling will feel like (we're still developing the calendar
>> system), what the rooms will look and feel like, whether people will
>> clean up their messes like they say they will, and any number of
>> hypothetical scarcities and disasters that we have no idea if the
>> future might bring.
>>
>> It's not your fault, it's not anybody else's fault either. I really
>> hope the confusion isn't interpreted as bad faith or a lack of
>> support. We all need to get better at that, of course, but also get
>> better at forgiving each others' mistakes, in the spirit of jubilee.
>>
>> Sorry for the rant, but thanks for listening. <3
>>
>
>
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>
>
> Let us be together,
> Let us eat together,
> Let us be vital together,
> Let us be radiating truth,
> radiating the light of life,
> Never shall we denounce anyone,
> never entertain negativity.                                          --
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>
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