[sudo-discuss] Fwd: Re: [omni-discuss] Strange man sleeping in eyeball room

Mon Nov 24 21:15:52 PST 2014

Nm. I just had to push harder.
On Nov 24, 2014 8:55 PM, "Andrew Lowe" <andrew at lostways.com> wrote:

> Does someone have the key to this room? It's locked. I'm here and had
> planned to work in there tonight. We also need to get in there tomorrow
> morning.
>  On Nov 24, 2014 4:47 PM, "Eske Silver" <eske.silver at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oops, sorry, I keep forgetting to cc everyone in the thread.
>> Sending this in case not everyone is getting all of the replies.
>>
>> ~ Korl
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded:
>>
>> Okie doke.
>> So.
>> I spoke the alleged permissor, and according to them, the squatter indeed
>> lied about having been given the go ahead, and dropped their name by way of
>> a mutual friend or somesuch situation.
>> I'm also very glad to say, that my worries were hasty and misinformed.
>> The squatter in question is the bald and scruffled, 40-to-50-year-old
>> black man, who often hangs out on the exterior steps of the ballroom
>> entryway.
>> It's unclear exactly how he got in, but what is clear is that we need to
>> step up our game by discussing all the ideas offered above.
>>
>> Now I really am going to sleep.
>>
>> I hope to dream that all of you are my familial elms, that our trunks are
>> made of space elevators, and that our roots are made of billions of
>> microscopic hedgehogs. And the hedgehogs are rowing canoes, of course.
>>
>> ~ Korl
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Eske Silver" <eske.silver at gmail.com>
>> Date: Nov 24, 2014 3:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [omni-discuss] Strange man sleeping in eyeball room
>> To: "niki" <niki.shelley at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "discuss" <discuss at lists.omnicommons.org>, "Jenny Ryan" <
>> tunabananas at gmail.com>
>>
>> If the situation is what I think, I feel we ought to give as much support
>> as we can to our friend.
>> However, I do think we ought to be strict on our tolerance level for
>> abuse of any kind; space, place, object, and of course person.
>> Perhaps a breakout session is due for anyone who isn't already aware of
>> how to deal with agressive or threatening people. Especially for lone
>> situations.
>> Perhaps we ought to even start spending ten mins of the delegates
>> meeting, revisiting the table of contents of our spankin new Conflict
>> Resolution guidelines, every few or four weeks?
>>
>> And it's semi-off-topic, but this quote really snapped me out of some
>> lame situations,
>> "Theres never a good reason to light yourself on fire in order to keep
>> someone else warm".
>> Just food for thought.
>> Omni can be a place where everyone is welcome to exist, dance, hack,
>> cook, heal, build, etc. But if we don't feel comfortable and safe with each
>> other, that can't last long.
>>
>> I dunno. I'm exhausted and gufflebrained, and I've lost my train of
>> thought.
>>
>> Good night everyone,
>> Have a good day :)
>>
>> ~ Korl
>>
>> 500px.com/eskesilver
>> 510.689.4484
>> On Nov 24, 2014 3:09 PM, "niki" <niki.shelley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I appreciate your consideration and compassion.
>>>
>>> I also want our community to be aware of potentially aggressive
>>> individuals - especially if they run into them alone, in the wee hours.
>>>
>>> It's a delicate balance, for sure, between respecting an individual's
>>> privacy and ensuring the safety of the community.
>>>
>>> Thanks for being so awesome, Korl <3
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Eske Silver <eske.silver at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't feel comfortable at this time describing the squatter, nor
>>>> mentioning the alleged permissors name, until I've had a chance to gather
>>>> info on said alleged permission.
>>>> I feel that the situation is potentially an insight to a serious
>>>> personal matter of one our members, and I want to make sure it's potential
>>>> gravity is given due appreciation.
>>>> As soon as I have the facts, I'll be sure to update the thread.
>>>> But to be sure, no it was not Quickness.
>>>> Thanks for your patience.
>>>>
>>>> ~ Korl
>>>>
>>>> 500px.com/eskesilver
>>>> 510.689.4484
>>>> On Nov 24, 2014 2:52 PM, "Eske Silver" <eske.silver at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks guys. I often stay up ll night and occasionally use the solo
>>>>> hours to get work done at sudo. I came in to do my and the omnis dishes, as
>>>>> well as snag some wifi to download a hardware testing software. I was
>>>>> certainly not expecting to find mr. rando there.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you've got it spot on. The more collaboration we have between
>>>>> last-outs and first-ins, respectively, the more effective we can be. I feel
>>>>> like there's too much disconnect in areas like this, and so the process is
>>>>> taken for granted. But if we look at whats already been discussed,
>>>>> analyzed, and implimented, it's already all there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben has been so kind as to offer to add this to the delegates agenda,
>>>>> and if I can make it to the meeting I'll certainly be there.
>>>>> I honestly think the key is as simple as us Omnerds acting just a bit
>>>>> more in sync with eachother. How we find the best pactice of preventing
>>>>> issues like this one, is just a matter of getting everyone on the same
>>>>> page, really.
>>>>> Hive mentality! Buddy system! Robot super brain! Gaia info waves!
>>>>> Et cetera and so forth.
>>>>> ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> ~ Korl
>>>>>
>>>>> 500px.com/eskesilver
>>>>> 510.689.4484
>>>>> On Nov 24, 2014 9:39 AM, "Jenny Ryan" <tunabananas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> To be clear, I locked up with Marc, Matt, and Noemie last night and
>>>>>> we went throughout the building asking non-members to leave and shutting
>>>>>> off lights. I'm often among the last to leave with other sudoers and we
>>>>>> always buddy up. Korl came back in the wee hours cuz she's a weirdo ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matt wrote this thing, we should update and improve it!
>>>>>> https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Closing
>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2014 9:28 AM, "Stephen Novotny" <novotny.stephen at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, thanks so much, Korl.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How do you think we could prevent this problem in the future? It's
>>>>>>> going to happen more and more frequently, I'm afraid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Partly, we'll have to be more adamant about keeping our doors locked
>>>>>>> "after-hours" and being certain that folks who are coming in are coming for
>>>>>>> a specific purpose and not to just linger around and sleep. Also, we should
>>>>>>> probably develop a more systematic closing-up procedure that must include
>>>>>>> some sort of buddy-system for closing up. It seems foolish to leave one
>>>>>>> person alone to confront someone and ask them to leave the space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Darn, and we were so proud of getting everyone to leave and locking
>>>>>>>> up Omni last night! Didn't think to check that little room, but will add it
>>>>>>>> to the rounds.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A good reminder for folks who leave Omni late to check in with
>>>>>>>> other members before you go - it's best to coordinate leaving and lock down
>>>>>>>> with a small pack of trusted friends. Thanks for taking care of this solo,
>>>>>>>> Korl. It's no fun :/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hugs,
>>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2014 5:38 AM, "Eske Silver" <eske.silver at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For the record, I'm fine.
>>>>>>>>> I told him what the house rule on sleeping was, that it was
>>>>>>>>> unfortunate that this person gave him false information, that I hoped he
>>>>>>>>> found somewhere else to go, but not to come back to Omni looking or a place
>>>>>>>>> to crash.
>>>>>>>>> He was a little agro, made some fuss about a few things, and gave
>>>>>>>>> me a bunch of gruffy attitude, but he left on his bike.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This was no big thing, but I'd like to resolve the cause of the
>>>>>>>>> situation, and also bring my concern to the table on locked doors.
>>>>>>>>> The squatter had locked himself in the eyeball room, and in any
>>>>>>>>> case, anyone who locks up the building, half asleep or otherwise, might not
>>>>>>>>> even bother to knock.
>>>>>>>>> Or if a squatter simply stayed silent, the person locking up might
>>>>>>>>> very well just pass it over and chalk it up to the room being locked by
>>>>>>>>> it's steward.
>>>>>>>>> Basically, if we want to keep this from happening again, the
>>>>>>>>> current process isn't working.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ~ Korl
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 500px.com/eskesilver
>>>>>>>>> 510.689.4484
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2014 5:11 AM, "Ben Burke" <benjaminburke at me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kicking out squatters at 4:30 am sounds potentially dangerous.
>>>>>>>>>> Did it go ok? Did you have / do you need backup?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 4:27 AM, Eske Silver <eske.silver at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is an older man whi has set camp in the eyeball room
>>>>>>>>>> upstairs. He was quite upset when I told him he was not allowed to sleep
>>>>>>>>>> here - that no one is, and that isnt what the omni is for.
>>>>>>>>>> He claims hes been given permission to sleep here. I've asked him
>>>>>>>>>> to leave and am now watching over while he gathers his things to leave.
>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know about this?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ~ Korl
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 500px.com/eskesilver
>>>>>>>>>> 510.689.4484
>>>>>>>>>>
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