[sudo-discuss] Fwd: Re: [omni-discuss] Strange man sleeping in eyeball room

Mon Nov 24 21:16:19 PST 2014

Nm. I got in.
On Nov 24, 2014 9:15 PM, "Andrew" <pcmaho at gmail.com> wrote:

> Nm. I just had to push harder.
> On Nov 24, 2014 8:55 PM, "Andrew Lowe" <andrew at lostways.com> wrote:
>
>> Does someone have the key to this room? It's locked. I'm here and had
>> planned to work in there tonight. We also need to get in there tomorrow
>> morning.
>>  On Nov 24, 2014 4:47 PM, "Eske Silver" <eske.silver at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Oops, sorry, I keep forgetting to cc everyone in the thread.
>>> Sending this in case not everyone is getting all of the replies.
>>>
>>> ~ Korl
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded:
>>>
>>> Okie doke.
>>> So.
>>> I spoke the alleged permissor, and according to them, the squatter
>>> indeed lied about having been given the go ahead, and dropped their name by
>>> way of a mutual friend or somesuch situation.
>>> I'm also very glad to say, that my worries were hasty and misinformed.
>>> The squatter in question is the bald and scruffled, 40-to-50-year-old
>>> black man, who often hangs out on the exterior steps of the ballroom
>>> entryway.
>>> It's unclear exactly how he got in, but what is clear is that we need to
>>> step up our game by discussing all the ideas offered above.
>>>
>>> Now I really am going to sleep.
>>>
>>> I hope to dream that all of you are my familial elms, that our trunks
>>> are made of space elevators, and that our roots are made of billions of
>>> microscopic hedgehogs. And the hedgehogs are rowing canoes, of course.
>>>
>>> ~ Korl
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: "Eske Silver" <eske.silver at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Nov 24, 2014 3:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [omni-discuss] Strange man sleeping in eyeball room
>>> To: "niki" <niki.shelley at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: "discuss" <discuss at lists.omnicommons.org>, "Jenny Ryan" <
>>> tunabananas at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> If the situation is what I think, I feel we ought to give as much
>>> support as we can to our friend.
>>> However, I do think we ought to be strict on our tolerance level for
>>> abuse of any kind; space, place, object, and of course person.
>>> Perhaps a breakout session is due for anyone who isn't already aware of
>>> how to deal with agressive or threatening people. Especially for lone
>>> situations.
>>> Perhaps we ought to even start spending ten mins of the delegates
>>> meeting, revisiting the table of contents of our spankin new Conflict
>>> Resolution guidelines, every few or four weeks?
>>>
>>> And it's semi-off-topic, but this quote really snapped me out of some
>>> lame situations,
>>> "Theres never a good reason to light yourself on fire in order to keep
>>> someone else warm".
>>> Just food for thought.
>>> Omni can be a place where everyone is welcome to exist, dance, hack,
>>> cook, heal, build, etc. But if we don't feel comfortable and safe with each
>>> other, that can't last long.
>>>
>>> I dunno. I'm exhausted and gufflebrained, and I've lost my train of
>>> thought.
>>>
>>> Good night everyone,
>>> Have a good day :)
>>>
>>> ~ Korl
>>>
>>> 500px.com/eskesilver
>>> 510.689.4484
>>> On Nov 24, 2014 3:09 PM, "niki" <niki.shelley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I appreciate your consideration and compassion.
>>>>
>>>> I also want our community to be aware of potentially aggressive
>>>> individuals - especially if they run into them alone, in the wee hours.
>>>>
>>>> It's a delicate balance, for sure, between respecting an individual's
>>>> privacy and ensuring the safety of the community.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for being so awesome, Korl <3
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Eske Silver <eske.silver at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't feel comfortable at this time describing the squatter, nor
>>>>> mentioning the alleged permissors name, until I've had a chance to gather
>>>>> info on said alleged permission.
>>>>> I feel that the situation is potentially an insight to a serious
>>>>> personal matter of one our members, and I want to make sure it's potential
>>>>> gravity is given due appreciation.
>>>>> As soon as I have the facts, I'll be sure to update the thread.
>>>>> But to be sure, no it was not Quickness.
>>>>> Thanks for your patience.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~ Korl
>>>>>
>>>>> 500px.com/eskesilver
>>>>> 510.689.4484
>>>>> On Nov 24, 2014 2:52 PM, "Eske Silver" <eske.silver at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks guys. I often stay up ll night and occasionally use the solo
>>>>>> hours to get work done at sudo. I came in to do my and the omnis dishes, as
>>>>>> well as snag some wifi to download a hardware testing software. I was
>>>>>> certainly not expecting to find mr. rando there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you've got it spot on. The more collaboration we have between
>>>>>> last-outs and first-ins, respectively, the more effective we can be. I feel
>>>>>> like there's too much disconnect in areas like this, and so the process is
>>>>>> taken for granted. But if we look at whats already been discussed,
>>>>>> analyzed, and implimented, it's already all there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben has been so kind as to offer to add this to the delegates agenda,
>>>>>> and if I can make it to the meeting I'll certainly be there.
>>>>>> I honestly think the key is as simple as us Omnerds acting just a bit
>>>>>> more in sync with eachother. How we find the best pactice of preventing
>>>>>> issues like this one, is just a matter of getting everyone on the same
>>>>>> page, really.
>>>>>> Hive mentality! Buddy system! Robot super brain! Gaia info waves!
>>>>>> Et cetera and so forth.
>>>>>> ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~ Korl
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 500px.com/eskesilver
>>>>>> 510.689.4484
>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2014 9:39 AM, "Jenny Ryan" <tunabananas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To be clear, I locked up with Marc, Matt, and Noemie last night and
>>>>>>> we went throughout the building asking non-members to leave and shutting
>>>>>>> off lights. I'm often among the last to leave with other sudoers and we
>>>>>>> always buddy up. Korl came back in the wee hours cuz she's a weirdo ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Matt wrote this thing, we should update and improve it!
>>>>>>> https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Closing
>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2014 9:28 AM, "Stephen Novotny" <
>>>>>>> novotny.stephen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, thanks so much, Korl.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How do you think we could prevent this problem in the future? It's
>>>>>>>> going to happen more and more frequently, I'm afraid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Partly, we'll have to be more adamant about keeping our doors
>>>>>>>> locked "after-hours" and being certain that folks who are coming in are
>>>>>>>> coming for a specific purpose and not to just linger around and sleep.
>>>>>>>> Also, we should probably develop a more systematic closing-up procedure
>>>>>>>> that must include some sort of buddy-system for closing up. It seems
>>>>>>>> foolish to leave one person alone to confront someone and ask them to leave
>>>>>>>> the space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Darn, and we were so proud of getting everyone to leave and
>>>>>>>>> locking up Omni last night! Didn't think to check that little room, but
>>>>>>>>> will add it to the rounds.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A good reminder for folks who leave Omni late to check in with
>>>>>>>>> other members before you go - it's best to coordinate leaving and lock down
>>>>>>>>> with a small pack of trusted friends. Thanks for taking care of this solo,
>>>>>>>>> Korl. It's no fun :/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hugs,
>>>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2014 5:38 AM, "Eske Silver" <eske.silver at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For the record, I'm fine.
>>>>>>>>>> I told him what the house rule on sleeping was, that it was
>>>>>>>>>> unfortunate that this person gave him false information, that I hoped he
>>>>>>>>>> found somewhere else to go, but not to come back to Omni looking or a place
>>>>>>>>>> to crash.
>>>>>>>>>> He was a little agro, made some fuss about a few things, and gave
>>>>>>>>>> me a bunch of gruffy attitude, but he left on his bike.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This was no big thing, but I'd like to resolve the cause of the
>>>>>>>>>> situation, and also bring my concern to the table on locked doors.
>>>>>>>>>> The squatter had locked himself in the eyeball room, and in any
>>>>>>>>>> case, anyone who locks up the building, half asleep or otherwise, might not
>>>>>>>>>> even bother to knock.
>>>>>>>>>> Or if a squatter simply stayed silent, the person locking up
>>>>>>>>>> might very well just pass it over and chalk it up to the room being locked
>>>>>>>>>> by it's steward.
>>>>>>>>>> Basically, if we want to keep this from happening again, the
>>>>>>>>>> current process isn't working.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ~ Korl
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 500px.com/eskesilver
>>>>>>>>>> 510.689.4484
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2014 5:11 AM, "Ben Burke" <benjaminburke at me.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kicking out squatters at 4:30 am sounds potentially dangerous.
>>>>>>>>>>> Did it go ok? Did you have / do you need backup?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 4:27 AM, Eske Silver <eske.silver at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is an older man whi has set camp in the eyeball room
>>>>>>>>>>> upstairs. He was quite upset when I told him he was not allowed to sleep
>>>>>>>>>>> here - that no one is, and that isnt what the omni is for.
>>>>>>>>>>> He claims hes been given permission to sleep here. I've asked
>>>>>>>>>>> him to leave and am now watching over while he gathers his things to leave.
>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know about this?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ~ Korl
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 500px.com/eskesilver
>>>>>>>>>>> 510.689.4484
>>>>>>>>>>>
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