[sudo-discuss] [OMNI] Proposals up for consensus:

[Julio Rios]

I agree with Matt.


On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 1:46 AM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Would it be a friendly amendment to require that any 2/3 vote would only
> take place after consensus has failed to be reached and the topic is
> therefore tabled for one week?
>
> The idea would be that we don't just try for consensus, get fed up, then
> vote with 2/3 that same meeting. Instead, we have to wait a week to have a
> 2/3 vote anyhow, so might as well aim for the consensus with sincerely in
> the first place. Further, this requires we be more understanding and
> sensitive about the topic, without rush and anxiety, giving a chance for
> folks to be more prepared and in-touch with the process and will of their
> collective.
>
> For the examples you provided, I think this is a consistent method, of
> course with cases of "bans" there shouldn't be a problem since our "safe
> space" policy, and any "code of conduct" should deny access to anyone from
> whom a rapid ban would be required. Instead, bans can be slightly delayed
> to ensure the wider community understands and accepts the response to
> individuals' and groups' actions before resolving.
>
> // Matt
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 4:53 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey sudo!
>>
>> At Thursday night's Omni delegates meeting, the following proposals were
>> put forth and are up for discussion over the next week, to be voted on
>> at next Thursday's Omni meeting:
>>
>> 1. Paying Jesse
>> Jesse Palmer is the Omni's lawyer and has done a phenomenal job
>> helping us get to where we are now. His bill totals somewhere in the
>> realm of $8500, which divided among 10 collectives means Sudo would
>> contribute ~$850.
>>
>> 2.  Paying an additional month of rent into a reserve
>> Our rent for July is free, but all collectives could pay rent for the
>> month of July anyway to be put into a reserve fund. I think this is a
>> great idea, and we have the funds for it (I believe we have ~$12,000
>> in the bank).
>>
>> 3. Revision to Consensus Process:
>> Thus far, the Omni Collective has made decisions using a full
>> consensus model. The proposal on the table is for votes to strive for
>> full consensus, but resort to a 2/3 majority vote if consensus cannot
>> be achieved. This model was recommended by Jesse, who has extensive
>> experience representing coops and collectives who've run into problems
>> with full-consensus models for hairy decisions like banning an abusive
>> individual or - as may be the case with us - removing particular
>> groups/collectives from the larger collective.
>>
>> Proposal : New Voting Model
>>
>> All votes called by the Delegate Council are subject to two rounds of
>> voting. The first round passes by full consensus. If after friendly
>> amendments and conversation full consensus cannot be achieved, the
>> vote moves to a second round which passes by 2/3 majority. If this
>> second vote fails to pass, the vote does not carry.
>>
>> This amendment to our full consensus voting procedures is proposed in
>> light of advice from radical comrades and colleagues who have seen
>> groups and projects torn apart by bad-faith exploitation of full
>> consensus voting. Our group's aim and aspiration will always be full
>> consensus, and we will always work to make sure all voices are heard.
>> In all of our work and decisionmaking together, let us always be
>> guided by fairness, kindness, and justice.
>>
>> ----
>> Please discuss any issues posed by the above proposals, make
>> amendments, and feel free to attend next Thursday's meeting if you'd
>> like to participate!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jenny
>> http://jennyryan.net
>> http://thepyre.org
>> http://thevirtualcampfire.org
>> http://technomadic.tumblr.com
>>
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>> -Laurie Anderson
>>
>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
>> it."
>>  -Hannah Arendt
>>
>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
>> -Stéphane Mallarmé
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