[sudo-discuss] hacker schools discussion

[Romy Ilano]

Well in the middle of all these hacker academies I've seen a lot of people
propose that these quickie vocational schools replace a university
education altogether.

I think this gels with people who believe that you go to university in
order to get a good job, not necessarily for an education.

Here's an article from Mother Jones on how for-profit universities can rip
students off:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/01/for-profit-college-student-debt

So suppose one of these technical schools that you see advertising on late
night television start offering their own "code schools" copying the
generally excellent hacker academies... and promising six figure salaries?

I saw a case where a law student sued her law school because she couldn't
find a job after graduation.


   - Would this regulation body be able to protect these hacker schools
   from getting sued by students who didn't find jobs?
   - I think it's very difficult to scale in a VC disruption kind of way
   these hacker academies. You have to be very selective about the applicant
   pool. You can't get people who are only going into programming because they
   want to make money--they have to be truly passionate about it to justify
   such short study times matched against real world jobs.
      -  I'm sure someone will prove me wrong.
   - Automating and industrializing education is sort of creepy.

Sometimes I get very alienated from discussions on the value of a
university education that I see on the web. I feel as if people only want
to go to school so that they can earn big salaries. There seems to be very
little value in getting an education in and of itself.
 Maybe it was always this way?





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Romy Ilano
romy at snowyla.com




On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Hol Gaskill <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:

> industrialization of education - obscuring the intrinsic value of
> knowledge and showing the way forward so that the technicians will know
> which direction to pull the carts
>
>
> Jan 31, 2014 07:54:22 AM, romy at snowyla.com wrote:
> FYI: I know a lot of the people running the hacker schools and who have
> graduated from them. I think most of these schools are legit, but I'm
> wondering if that is because it is due to the location (SF Bay Area) and
> the very high talent pool here.
> >
>
> >None of these bootcamps claims to replace a university education, they
> are offering a very different thing.
> >
> >I'm spooked by people who would advocate replacing an education with
> vocational bootcamps. I don't see these bootcamps competing with computer
> science departments at universities.
> >
>
> >I can see a lot of potential abuse occurring as well:
> >1997 New Yorker article on the University of Phoneix, a for-profit
> institution:
> http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1997/10/20/1997_10_20_114_TNY_CARDS_000379687
> >
>
> >
> >>>>
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> >Message: 10
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> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 18:22:50 -0800
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> From: Pete Forsyth peteforsyth at gmail.com>
> >
> To: GtwoG PublicOhOne g2g-public01 at att.net>
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> Cc: Sudo room sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
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> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] "learn to code" events subject to full-WTF
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>         scale crackdown...any ideas?
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> I think Sudo Room has a stake in the existence of effective hacker-training
> >
> programs, regardless of whether they are offered *by* Sudo Room. So, thanks
> >
> Hol for posting the link.
> >
>
> >
> I agree with GtwoG that there is some possibility for abuse; but neither
> >
> the article nor the agency's web site offer a concise presentation of what
> >
> it means to "be in compliance". Is the agency throwing up regulations that
> >
> will deter good work? It's hard to tell!
> >
>
> >
> I posted this to a couple email lists in the Wikipedia space, so check out
> >
> these discussions too if interested:
> >
> * http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2014-January/thread.html
> >
> *
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-sf/2014-January/thread.html
> >
>
> >
> -Pete
> >
> peteforsyth.com
> >
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> >Romy Ilanoromy at snowyla.com
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