[sudo-discuss] hacker schools discussion

[Hol Gaskill]

I agree 100% - this can't be actual cost fair share type pricing.  More of a "what the market will bear" price.

What's tuition running these days?  Are semesters 15 weeks?  For in-state students it was about $4k/semester at UT Austin when I left.  We definitely need more accessible alternatives one way or the other - I'm digging coursera right now.  Also MIT opencourseware has lots of free content.  No substitute for having in-person access to experts in a given field on a regularly scheduled basis with feedback on your progress though.


Jan 31, 2014 10:48:30 AM, craigrouskey at gmail.com wrote:
The access issue with the bootcamps is what really freaks me out. $15k for a 10-week intensive? I don't know, I thought there was a value of access/justice encoded within the general ethics of 'hacker.' Maybe that's not true...

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>On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Hol Gaskill hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
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>industrialization of education - obscuring the intrinsic value of knowledge and showing the way forward so that the technicians will know which direction to pull the carts
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Jan 31, 2014 07:54:22 AM, romy at snowyla.com wrote:
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FYI: I know a lot of the people running the hacker schools and who have graduated from them. I think most of these schools are legit, but I'm wondering if that is because it is due to the location (SF Bay Area) and the very high talent pool here.
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>None of these bootcamps claims to replace a university education, they are offering a very different thing.
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>I'm spooked by people who would advocate replacing an education with vocational bootcamps. I don't see these bootcamps competing with computer science departments at universities.
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>1997 New Yorker article on the University of Phoneix, a for-profit institution:http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1997/10/20/1997_10_20_114_TNY_CARDS_000379687
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 18:22:50 -0800
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From: Pete Forsyth peteforsyth at gmail.com>
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To: GtwoG PublicOhOne g2g-public01 at att.net>
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Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] "learn to code" events subject to full-WTF
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        scale crackdown...any ideas?
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I think Sudo Room has a stake in the existence of effective hacker-training
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programs, regardless of whether they are offered *by* Sudo Room. So, thanks
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Hol for posting the link.
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I agree with GtwoG that there is some possibility for abuse; but neither
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the article nor the agency's web site offer a concise presentation of what
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it means to "be in compliance". Is the agency throwing up regulations that
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will deter good work? It's hard to tell!
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I posted this to a couple email lists in the Wikipedia space, so check out
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these discussions too if interested:
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* http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2014-January/thread.html
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* http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-sf/2014-January/thread.html
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-Pete
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