[sudo-discuss] help: anti-DAC resources?

[David Keenan]

This is awesome. Thanks Eddan! I will gratefully read what you've forwarded.

Re: speaking on behalf of groups, I appreciate your caution. I should have
been more clear, my effort here is specifically not to speak on behalf of
this or that group. Im seeking only to deliver an argument pure and
simple about the negatives of the DAC specifically into the hands of people
in local govt so they can make use of it themselves, in other words, enable
them to articulately represent their own personal interest with
regards remediating this issue, and specifically not get caught up in the
politics of representation or who all is for or against, which can
get sticky to say the least.

Regarding the juridical sphere, review there is of course entirely germane,
but what im hoping to produce is not a legal brief but more like a
3-5page policy position against the DAC in layman's terms: A summary of the
project, its glossed-over overreach, and its unanswered questions in ways
that are moral-political (youll be collecting far more info on everyday
folks than youre inferring, and this is wrong) and legal (this abridges our
specific constitutional legal right and/or state/local laws in x ways).

I had no doubt that discussions were already under way amongst all manner
of groups attuned to the precarious state of civil liberties, and so im
excited to be able to join in on the conversation and do what i can to
contribute. This being but one way. This is not a collaborationalist
posture, simply a pragmatic one in my view, and one of many
equally-effective approaches we have at our disposal -

looking forward,
david

On Wednesday, January 22, 2014, eddan.com <eddan at sudoroom.tv> wrote:

> Additionally, in regards to speaking on behalf of these groups - I would
> recommend looking into the limitations and reporting requirements for
> political lobbying for traditional 501(c)(3)s like Sudo Room & BAPS -before
> proceeding too far, especially with the status pending.
>
>
> sent from eddan.com
>
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 11:53 AM, David Keenan <dkeenan44 at gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'dkeenan44 at gmail.com');>>
> wrote:
>
> eddan,
>
> thank you for this! i will come to sudo tonight. Is the meeting at 6:30,
> or what is the time?
>
> What is needed are white papers against the dac, that set out clearly the
> actual scope of the dac and stake out our position against it in
> point-by-point terms at the level of moral-political logic. Does anything
> like that exist?
>
> Showing up at public comment at council meetings is fine, but frankly at
> the same time the attitudes of some at public comment also has had a
> tendency to just piss off the various people in govt who are also against
> the dac and mostly ignore the content. These people, various aides and
> such, who really are on our side, need be able to articulate arguments
> against the dac in a noncombative manner, that can be framed in a language
> that isnt polemical or too emotional but simply sensible.
>
> Im going to start a working group / class out of baps on this also -
>
> best,
> david
> david
>
> On Wednesday, January 22, 2014, eddan.com <eddan at sudoroom.tv> wrote:
>
> Hi David & Sudo folk -
>
> Just wanted to remind folks that the Oakland Privacy Working Group
> (meeting tonight at Sudo Room) has been trying to coordinate a robust and
> effective response to the Oakland DAC funding in this crucial several week
> window at the City Council.
>
> It is of course important for everyone who's willing to work to try and
> stop this to do what they can. It might be helpful though to make sure
> coordination is taking place so that one part of our collective effort
> isn't seen as legitimizing a process we are trying to shut down by
> supporting it through fixing it.
>
> Subscription to the listserv is at
> oaklandprivacyworkinggroup-subscribe at lists.riseup.net. It would also be
> great if you could support the petition at
> http://www.change.org/petitions/the-mayor-and-city-council-of-oakland-ca-don-t-sell-out-the-people-of-oakland-to-the-department-of-homeland-security-don-t-vote-to-fund-the-domain-awareness-centerand continue spreading the word.
>
> For those interested, there is also a meeting of the League of Women
> Voters on this topic tonight (
> http://www.lwvoakland.org/VOTER-January-2014.html). There will also be an
> event of relevant interest in Berkeley tomorrow night (
> https://www.eff.org/event/nsa-surveillance-and-our-almost-orwellian-state
> ).
>
> -Eddan
>
> On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 at 6:55 PM, David Keenan wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> a friend of mine who works for the ci
>
>
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