[sudo-discuss] Open source documentary

Fri Jan 17 11:47:08 PST 2014

Last I checked (over two years ago), Pitivi was probably best, and it stored stuff it an undocumented-but-nice format.

Hol Gaskill <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
>do any of the main video editing software packages have a
>human-readable format of how the edits are made?  I think it would be
>pretty cool to allow people to contribute source footage from all over,
>then people can hack together the post production, forking as desired. 
>alot of fine tuning can go into how you cut and rubberband the audio
>and video so crowdsourcing this really piques my interest...also does
>anyone know of open source editing software?  I used to use adobe
>premiere 5.1 and it was a nightmare.
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>Jan 17, 2014 08:49:52 AM, ryan.bethencourt at gmail.com wrote:
>I'm with Max and think its a wonderful idea Naomi. I'd be happy to
>participate as a sudo room biohacker :)
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>On Jan 17, 2014 8:43 AM, "Max Klein" isalix at gmail.com> wrote:
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>Hello sudo-ers
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>Let me introduce myself, although some of you know me
>already. My name is Noémie, I'm French - among other things. 
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>I discovered sudo-room last September. It was the
>first time I set foot in a hackerspace, and it kind of blew my mind. At
>sudo
>room, I discovered the concept of open source, a concept I didn't
>really know
>till then. That, together with a lot of really great encounters and
>conversations, kind of changed things for me, and made me realize that
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>what I do in life (films), I can do things completely differently. Up
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>the film industry has been very hierarchical, in many different ways,
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>always made me uncomfortable. Only recently did I understand that if I
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>that something’s not fair, I can actually do something about it. That
>was an
>empowering realization.
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>>This is so heart-warming to read. 
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>So I've been playing with the idea of making an open source documentary
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>at/about sudo room. Before I go any further, I would just like to say
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>saw you're trying to agree on a sort of chart about the conditions
>under which
>you'd be willing to have people film at sudo room, and it all seems
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>I'd like to expose you my idea, for you to tell me
>what you think, and also, if anyone among you would like to
>participate. I’m
>hoping that (at least some of) the ones who will be in the film will
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>participate in the making of the film. The project would probably be
>scattered
>over a few months, so that it doesn't feel heavy, but also so that
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>time to develop a genuine narrative, and to follow one or a few
>projects that
>could constitute the backbone of a story. 
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>The question I've been fiddling with is the following:
>how to make it open source? And beyond just putting the footage under
>CC
>license and leaving it available somewhere on the internet, how to make
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>exciting experiment, an opportunity to create new processes in film
>making that
>are non hierarchical and more participative? To me the question is also
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>pragmatic one: how can this participative process allow to create
>compelling films
>with a vision, films that people actually want to watch, beyond the
>open source
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>>“When the structure of a work is one of its themes, another of its
>themes is art.” - Gertrude Stein
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>The idea is to develop a sort of github for editing movies in a
>collaborative
>way, so that as the film is being shot and made, there is a tool online
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>- rate, annotate, underline the footage or parts of it, organize it
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>be free of access and available not only to the people involved in the
>project
>but to anyone, and hopefully will generate a cool community of users
>who want
>to be empowered film viewers and makers. To me it's the continuation of
>genius director Chris Marker's work with the Medvedkin Groups in the
>60's. *
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>I've been talking about the possibility of building this tool with a
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>and talented hacker that some of you know, Robert M Ochshorn.  He's
>already made some great advancement on
>the future of video (two works of his: 
>http://interlace.videovortex9.net also check
>http://montageinterdit.net) and he'd be excited to continue
>with this project. I’m excited too actually! I think it could change
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>idea of how to make films, and what it is to be a spectator, and what
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>truly participative movie... So I’m offering to do an experiment, and I
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>sudo room would definitely be the best place to do it, not only because
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>places, it is the one where I would want to experiment in a fun way.
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>because I envision a really good, touching, fun and awakening movie...
> hopefully more than one movie!! I hope that after the 1.0 movie is
>released, it is only the beginning of an adventure consisting in
>hacking the movie. Making a different version of it, maybe more than
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>I'll be in Oakland starting from February and I'm
>thinking of spending some time at sudo - probably for other projects as
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>I'd like to take this time to think of how to do it, what story (ies)
>to tell,
>talk about the project to whomever among you is interested in
>participating in
>it, and see more concretely how it could be done in a participative
>way, but
>also with a vision, and a unity, so that it actually has a reach. 
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>I wrote this email today because I’d like everyone to
>know about it, and open a discussion that I hope will mostly take place
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>life when I’ll be here in February rather than on this email list,
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>would be happy to already get some feedback, questions, advice or ideas
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>you think are relevant at this stage… 
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>>I love this idea. As well as sudoers being involved, I think it'd be
>cool to work on it with some other groups who'd be excited. For
>instance the film-studies groups at Bay Area Public School (radicals in
>our same building) and others. In that way, sudoers could learn
>film-making theory, and film-makers could learn open-source theory. I'd
>love to dedicate some time to the project.
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>A bientôt :)
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>* Chris Marker
>went to film the factory strikes in Besancon; and when he showed his
>film to
>the workers, they said that he’s completely incompetent, that it does
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>represent their point of view at all, that this director from Paris is
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>like the bosses that exploit them. Chris Marker agreed that the film
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>from his point of view, and created with the workers the Medevkin
>groups. He shared
>with them the material, the means and the knowhow to create their own
>movies,
>and helped them to re-edit his own footage. Some of the films of the
>Medvedkin
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>>-- 
>>Noémie Serfaty
>>108 rue du Faubourg du Temple
>>75011 Paris
>>Tel: 06 27 76 88 84
>>Tel: 01 71 50 51 82
>>noemieserfaty at gmail.com
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