[sudo-discuss] Fwd: The Omni

Louis Huang louis.huang at aegia.nu
Mon Sep 30 13:45:53 PDT 2013 

To be honest, I don't see the rush in finding a new spot.

People spend years house hunting for the 'right family home', and 
although this is not exactly the same thing as a family home- I feel 
like it follows the same concept. Find the RIGHT place instead of 
rushing to another place. What if we jumped to find a new spot and its 
not even as good as the spot Sudoroom is in now.

Also, counter-culture labs just moved in to bootstrap. I think its good 
to wait and feel out the co-op dynamic before jumping the gun.

Therefore I think it would be good to wait on moving because:

1) search thoroughly to find the BEST place for sudoroom to move to
2) stay to support CCL in its development phase
3) stay because the public school likes the location that it is in 
right now.


-Louie

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On 2013-09-30 15:35, niki wrote:
> While I am not opposed to the idea of staying at 2141, I think it's a
> great for us to take a look at what's out there and, at the very
> least, explore the possibility of moving somewhere that's better
> suited to our collective projects.
> 
> To be honest, the thought of becoming any more entangled with George
> (ie: the co-op scenario) sounds like a real nightmare. 
> 
> It would be great if we could compile a list of needs, etc. in order
> to guide us in the search for potential new spaces that are a good fit
> for everyone. Has something like this already been started? 
> 
> N
> 
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Liberty Madison
> <libertymadison at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I am hoping we continue to occupy the current location under more 
>> favorable terms. The access to not only BART, but city government, 
>> assemblies, events, community is appealing.
>> 
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note™, an AT&T LTE smartphone
>> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Fwd: The Omni
>> From: David Keenan <dkeenan44 at gmail.com>
>> To: "sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org" 
>> <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>> CC: Re: [sudo-discuss] Fwd: The Omni
>> 
>> Thanks Eddan for clarifying.
>> 
>> Im sad i missed the joint meeting with CCL re: moving in - we 
>> definitely need more meatspace strategizing on making a 3-way move 
>> like that happen -
>> 
>> I'm really happy that marina and y'all are checking out the Omni and 
>> other potential spaces - I'm going to start looking pretty hard and 
>> get BAPSers in on this too - sounds like a guesstimated combo 
>> sudo/baps/ccl monthly budget would be ~$4500, does that seem 
>> about right? 
>> 
>> Re: SUDO moving into the Omni, it sounds super cool and personally I 
>> have no problem with the location - but I do think if there are ppl 
>> living in the space, that might make it challenging - conversely if 
>> there are lots of loud shows there, that might make having a 
>> class tough? And more or less importantly.. are there windows in the 
>> Omni space? It's be great if whatever space SUDO moved to had more 
>> natural light..
>> 
>> On Monday, September 30, 2013, Eddan Katz wrote:
>> 
>>> Terminating the current lease means the latter, David. That is - at 
>>> that point, a new/better lease can be negotiated. Or not, if so 
>>> decided.
>>> 
>>> While the details on what a co-op purchase would look like still 
>>> have to be hammered out in detail, it was my understanding from 
>>> George that he was interested in an arrangement that would include 
>>> selling off equity in that portion. Different organizations would put 
>>> up money in their collective shares and that wing would be organized 
>>> as a co-op with the different organizational/individual owners taking 
>>> part in the decision-making of managing the building.
>>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2013, at 12:05 PM, David Keenan wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hey guys, 
>>>> 
>>>> Regarding leaving 2141 and scoping out new spaces..
>>>> 
>>>> I was hoping someone could fill me in on what is really meant by 
>>>> deciding we are officially 'terminating the lease' in Dec. ?
>>>> 
>>>> Does it mean we are definitely out of 2141 come Jan., ie, we 
>>>> definitely dont want to stay at 2141? Has that been decided? 
>>>> 
>>>> Or, would we have the opportunity to negotiate a new/better lease 
>>>> if we did decide to keep on at 2141? 
>>>> 
>>>> Re: a co-op purchase of part of 2141, what are the brass tacks of 
>>>> that exactly? I..e, do we have however many tens of thousands I 
>>>> imagine we would need for most mortgage downpayments? Is there some 
>>>> angel investor here I dunno about?
>>>> 
>>>> Along the same lines what are our real-world options with respect 
>>>> buying the church, or part of the Omni? Or are we just talking about 
>>>> renting part of the omni?
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, I'd prefer to move, but move with BAPS, SUDO, and CCL. 
>>>> It kind of seems like maybe we should find a good place to move to, 
>>>> and understand what our combined budget is. if SUDO moves out 
>>>> without BAPS that would suck for BAPS and also mean that SUDO would 
>>>> probably get a smaller space than we would get if we combined 
>>>> forces, synchronized, and all moved somewhere together (or mayber 
>>>> stayed at 2141 together, under more amenable conditions). Staying 
>>>> together being the operative word to me here..
>>>> 
>>>> Best.
>>>> David
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:46 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Marina Kukso 
>>>>> <marina.kukso at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> *Half the room will still be avavilable, and could be Sudo's for 
>>>>>> approx $2k/month.
>>>>> 
>>>>> How many square feet are we getting in exchange for that $2k?
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>> *It is 10 minutes walk from McArthur BART
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's not too bad, obviously closer is better, and MacArthur is 
>>>>> not a very safe area at night, but it's oakland, what are you gonna 
>>>>> do
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Tracy 
>>>>> Jacobs <kinetical at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> You do realize that's very close to Ace Monster Toys?  If Sudo 
>>>>> room
>>>>> 
>>>>>> y too far from where I live, so I would probably not ever go 
>>>>>> there.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sounds like an interesting space though, and that is a better 
>>>>>> neighborhood than where AMT is now.  Maybe they would be 
>>>>>> interested in this space?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It's 1.4 mi away, which is relatively close, though not a super 
>>>>>> convenient walking distance. However they are looking for bigger 
>>>>>> cheaper spaces (minimum 3000 sq ft, and at most $1/sqft), so I'm 
>>>>>> not sure this
>>>>> Also they have a requirement that anything over 2500sqft MUST have 
>>>>> overhead sprinklers. That combined with the noise constraints might 
>>>>> be an issue, since AMT has lots of big noisy toys (large CNC router 
>>>>> tables, laser cutters, power saws, etc)
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