[sudo-discuss] Incident Saturday

Sat Sep 14 17:59:22 PDT 2013

Hacker Scouts is gathering funding for a new bigger hackerspace /
headquarters in Oakland.  Possibly Sudo Room could get involved and share
the new space with them?

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/832476585/hacker-scouts-oakland-lab

On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at clear.net> wrote:

> True. Though there is approx. $25,000 in legal fees in preparation for the
> CA DPO. Cutting Edge Capital (Jenny Kassan) did the People's Community
> Market.
>
> Not sure how the comparison will stack up, but it's problematic that the
> DPO involves getting the $25K upfront, in order to raise the DPO money.
>
> Either way, it seems to me like an institutional membership structure
> might make it a lot more feasible (i.e., Bay Area Public School, Roshambo
> Media, Sound Room, Pan Theater, Pan Theatre, Community Democracy Project,
> Oakland Wiki, etc. etc.).
>
>
> sent from eddan.com
>
> On Sep 14, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> If it's a California direct public offering, it can be done as equity
> already. See people's community market in west Oakland.
> On Sep 14, 2013 1:09 PM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan at clear.net> wrote:
>
>> or it could be structured as a co-op real estate deal.
>> or an equity crowd funded (starting 9/28) distribution of shares.
>>
>> Sudo Room can remain what it is. Sudo Co-op, for example, can be the
>> entity with title to the property.
>>
>> sent from eddan.com
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:
>>
>> We have to find out what the building is worth, then someone has to see
>> how big of a loan we could get as a group (we'd need a tax structure). Once
>> we find that out we can crowd source for the deposit and first months
>> mortgage.
>>
>> It's within the realm of possibility, but would require Sudo Room to
>> become a land owner and a state/federally recognized entity (like an LLC)
>> with people on the board having good credit. Correct me if I'm wrong here.
>>
>> --Andrew
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at clear.net> wrote:
>>
>>> +1!!!
>>>
>>> Minus - 'it's probably too big to be crowdfunded'
>>>
>>> sent from eddan.com
>>>
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Julio Rios <julio.rios at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not sure if this is possible, but just throwing it out there since there
>>> seems to be a general consensus that the location is ideal, but the
>>> management is the opposite:
>>>
>>> Can sudoroom (or some conglomerate including sudoroom) buy George out?
>>> or convince someone/something friendly to sudoroom to buy him out?
>>> I think it's probably too big to be crowdfunded, but does anyone know
>>> someone profusely wealthy able to take this on? or a group?
>>>
>>> I am guessing there are already models for spaces owned by the groups
>>> that operate there, cooperatively maybe?
>>>
>>> I'm not necessarily advocating this, but this space in Atlanta is pretty
>>> nice, even though it's been bought by developers for the purpose of
>>> fostering an art community that already existed there, and they have a farm:
>>> http://clatl.com/atlanta/goat-farm-gets-sold/Content?oid=1868024
>>>
>>> Not sure what the equivalent in Oakland would be.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Walking away may not be easy to do as he tends to corner people when
>>>> they are alone in the space.
>>>>  On Sep 13, 2013 11:47 AM, "Hol Gaskill" <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> reiterating the in-writing requirement is good.  just walking away may
>>>>> or may not be so good - i have so far had the good fortune not to know the
>>>>> depths of these interactions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sep 13, 2013 10:05:48 AM, andrew at roshambomedia.com wrote:
>>>>> The lease that Matt sent out a while ago clearly states that all
>>>>> requests and complaints must be in writing. So I would like to reiterate
>>>>> that if George approaches you just say, "please put that in writing so I
>>>>> can share it with the group, thanks" and walk away if you can.
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM, johanna faust
>>>>> female.faust at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> >i wonder if there is any hopen in talking to him?
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Matthew Senate mattsenate at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hey all, I sent this to Laurie today:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Laurie,
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks for replying briefly, when do you expect you will be able to
>>>>> send a
>>>>> >
>>>>> > full response? We also need to address the incident on this past
>>>>> Saturday,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > which was another unacceptable confrontation and accusation.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Matt
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Matthew Senate mattsenate at gmail.com
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> We've used http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/ in the past to show
>>>>> listings
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> of spaces, look at price points, be knowledgeable about local
>>>>> availability.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:31 AM, rusty lindgren
>>>>> rustylindgren at gmail.com>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>> And these:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4047110117.html
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4015202437.html
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >
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>>>>> >
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