[sudo-discuss] Incident Saturday
Gregg Horton
greggahorton at gmail.com
Tue Sep 10 11:33:43 PDT 2013
For the goals of sudoroom, that's pretty far from bart, but it looks
like a good location besides that.
Its near linden st brewery too!
On 9/10/13 11:25 AM, rusty lindgren wrote:
> Why don't we go in on something like this with both groups?
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4010598468.html
>
> Haven't looked at it, but it seems really inexpensive.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Ryan Bethencourt
> <ryan.bethencourt at gmail.com <mailto:ryan.bethencourt at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Really sorry to hear what happened in regards to the rant (as I'm
> sure there were many innocent victims) but I just wanted to put in
> a dissenting voice in about a move.
>
> Sudo Room get's a lot of value from the space, far more than we
> pay in dues as we're allowed to use the common space for classes,
> meet ups and etc (while we only pay for one room). There are of
> course a lot of negatives but so far it seems that the positives
> (as a whole) outweigh the negatives. George does do tirades but so
> far they've been all bark and no bite, plus a community (like
> public schools and all of the other small groups/businesses) have
> been evolving alongside Sudo room. I'm all for task forces and
> finding better spaces but no space (or landlord) will be perfect.
>
> Just my two bitcoins!
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Louis Huang
> <louis.huang at aegia.nu <mailto:louis.huang at aegia.nu>> wrote:
>
> I agree with Liberty.
>
> Sudoroom is a great hackerspace, and with the relationship
> next to the Public School, the sciences and humanities meet on
> occasions with interdisciplinary (humanities + science)
> communal events that are all the more refreshing.
>
> If we were to leave, we might want to talk it over with the
> Public School too (if it isn't already happening).
>
>
> -Louis
>
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>
> On 2013-09-09 19:00, Liberty Madison wrote:
>
> It makes no sense moving Sudo into another room at 2141 as
> long as it
> is govern by George. We need to relocate Sudo. I will be
> looking at
> locations along the Bart transit stops.Please Repeat
>
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> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Hol Gaskill
> <hol at gaskill.com <mailto:hol at gaskill.com>> wrote:
>
> you mean pack up all our space mining equipment and
> scatter among the stars in search of a new homeworld?
>
> Sep 9, 2013 04:12:40 PM, andrew at roshambomedia.com
> <mailto:andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:
> In complete agreement that Sudo cannot survive 2141
> broadway. I would also like to bring to the table the
> idea that we have two issues: 2141 and finding a new
> space. I don't think leaving 2141 needs to be
> contingent on finding somthing new. Events can be
> spread across different venues while sudo members
> focus on finding a perminent space. We could even rent
> a smaller room in 2141 while this happends.
>
> Just putting it out there...
>
> On Sep 9, 2013 2:52 PM, "Yardena Cohen"
> yardenack at gmail.com <mailto:yardenack at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Sorry for being slow in documenting this, but the
> community deserves
>
>
> to know that this happened.
>
>
>
>
> Sometime on Friday night, the men's bathroom was
> vandalized. I feel
>
>
> confident that it was an art-murmur walk-in, but there
> is no way to
>
>
> know for sure. They spread human feces along the walls
> creating what
>
>
> appeared to be two swastika shapes - not entirely
> faithful renditions
>
>
> but enough to reasonably perceive swastikas in them.
>
>
>
>
> I learned of this when I came to set up my TIL
> Saturday around noon.
>
>
> Our landlord George showed it to me. He was
> understandably upset, both
>
>
> about having to clean up the mess and also about the
> symbolism. His
>
>
> father is Jewish. He wondered if he had been targeted.
> I also was not
>
>
> happy, as a queer Jew with many family members in Yad
> Vashem.
>
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, this caused him to descend into another
> tirade in which
>
>
> nobody was spared. He assumed right away it was done
> by a Sudoroom
>
>
> member. There was a clear path of association that
> went: Sudoroom ->
>
>
> anarchists -> Nazis. At one point he even suggested
> that a kid from
>
>
> Sudo Kids had "come back to finish the job". But
> mostly he accused
>
>
> Sudo members. Since I was representing Sudoroom in
> this conversation,
>
>
> he ended up addressing me over and over as if I was
> personally
>
>
> responsible for this swastika, as if I had done it
> myself. I actually
>
>
> found this to be the most traumatic part of the whole
> event. Not even
>
>
> offensive, just downright traumatic.
>
>
>
>
> There was the usual fare of yelling about money and
> society and his
>
>
> inability to find good tenants. He twice informed me
> that he was
>
>
> evicting both Sudoroom and the Public School and that
> Laurie would
>
>
> prepare a 30 days notice. He's said that before. He
> told me that
>
>
> Sudoroom and Public School should close their doors
> for the rest of
>
>
> the day, because "If I see any of them, I will beat
> them up!" I told
>
>
> him I'm sorry, but I have a Linux class scheduled for
> 2:00, please
>
>
> don't beat them up. That calmed him down a little. In
> short, the rant
>
>
> was a mix of old and new.
>
>
>
>
> Except this time Laurie was there. Laurie is our other
> landlord - she
>
>
> is George's wife and they own the building equally.
> The way he talked
>
>
> to her during this rant was very revealing, because
> she also became a
>
>
> target. He yelled at her for not having a 30-days
> notice already
>
>
> prepared, for having written the craigslist ads that
> attracted
>
>
> Sudoroom and Public School (and, incidentally, many of
> his other
>
>
> tenants). He said quite hurtful things to her,
> including that she was
>
>
> nothing but a drain on his life and that he wanted a
> divorce from her.
>
>
>
>
> She just stood there quietly saying nothing, holding
> their dog on a
>
>
> leash, looking at me with eyes that said "I'm sorry
> you have to see
>
>
> this." After a while, when George left the room, she
> apologized to me.
>
>
> She said "please don't listen to anything he said, he
> just gets that
>
>
> way when his buttons are pushed."
>
>
>
>
> They ended up not leaving for a couple hours.
> Initially George refused
>
>
> to clean the bathroom or let anybody else clean it
> because he wanted
>
>
> to show evidence to the cops, who he believed would
> show up to
>
>
> investigate. It took a chorus of Laurie and several of
> his other
>
>
> tenants to convince him that OPD doesn't show up for
> things like this,
>
>
> the cops aren't coming, the bathroom smells, please
> let's just clean
>
>
> it up. Eventually he lost steam and they left.
>
>
>
>
> I'm not really sure how to wrap up this email. Writing
> it was
>
>
> difficult. You will have to draw your own conclusions.
>
>
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