[sudo-discuss] Incident Saturday

Gregg Horton greggahorton at gmail.com
Tue Sep 10 11:33:43 PDT 2013


For the goals of sudoroom, that's pretty far from bart, but it looks
like a good location besides that.

Its near linden st brewery too!

On 9/10/13 11:25 AM, rusty lindgren wrote:
> Why don't we go in on something like this with both groups?  
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4010598468.html
>
> Haven't looked at it, but it seems really inexpensive. 
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Ryan Bethencourt
> <ryan.bethencourt at gmail.com <mailto:ryan.bethencourt at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Really sorry to hear what happened in regards to the rant (as I'm
>     sure there were many innocent victims) but I just wanted to put in
>     a dissenting voice in about a move. 
>
>     Sudo Room get's a lot of value from the space, far more than we
>     pay in dues as we're allowed to use the common space for classes,
>     meet ups and etc (while we only pay for one room). There are of
>     course a lot of negatives but so far it seems that the positives
>     (as a whole) outweigh the negatives. George does do tirades but so
>     far they've been all bark and no bite, plus a community (like
>     public schools and all of the other small groups/businesses) have
>     been evolving alongside Sudo room. I'm all for task forces and
>     finding better spaces but no space (or landlord) will be perfect.
>
>     Just my two bitcoins!
>
>
>     On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Louis Huang
>     <louis.huang at aegia.nu <mailto:louis.huang at aegia.nu>> wrote:
>
>         I agree with Liberty.
>
>         Sudoroom is a great hackerspace, and with the relationship
>         next to the Public School, the sciences and humanities meet on
>         occasions with interdisciplinary (humanities + science)
>         communal events that are all the more refreshing.
>
>         If we were to leave, we might want to talk it over with the
>         Public School too (if it isn't already happening).
>
>
>         -Louis
>
>         ---
>         Louis T. Huang
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>
>         On 2013-09-09 19:00, Liberty Madison wrote:
>
>             It makes no sense moving Sudo into another room at 2141 as
>             long as it
>             is govern by George. We need to relocate Sudo. I will be
>             looking at
>             locations along the Bart transit stops.Please Repeat
>
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>             On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Hol Gaskill
>             <hol at gaskill.com <mailto:hol at gaskill.com>> wrote:
>
>                 you mean pack up all our space mining equipment and
>                 scatter among the stars in search of a new homeworld?
>
>                 Sep 9, 2013 04:12:40 PM, andrew at roshambomedia.com
>                 <mailto:andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:
>                 In complete agreement that Sudo cannot survive 2141
>                 broadway. I would also like to bring to the table the
>                 idea that we have two issues: 2141 and finding a new
>                 space. I don't think leaving 2141 needs to be
>                 contingent on finding somthing new. Events can be
>                 spread across different venues while sudo members
>                 focus on finding a perminent space. We could even rent
>                 a smaller room in 2141 while this happends.
>
>                 Just putting it out there...
>
>                 On Sep 9, 2013 2:52 PM, "Yardena Cohen"
>                 yardenack at gmail.com <mailto:yardenack at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
>                 Sorry for being slow in documenting this, but the
>                 community deserves
>
>
>                 to know that this happened.
>
>
>
>
>                 Sometime on Friday night, the men's bathroom was
>                 vandalized. I feel
>
>
>                 confident that it was an art-murmur walk-in, but there
>                 is no way to
>
>
>                 know for sure. They spread human feces along the walls
>                 creating what
>
>
>                 appeared to be two swastika shapes - not entirely
>                 faithful renditions
>
>
>                 but enough to reasonably perceive swastikas in them.
>
>
>
>
>                 I learned of this when I came to set up my TIL
>                 Saturday around noon.
>
>
>                 Our landlord George showed it to me. He was
>                 understandably upset, both
>
>
>                 about having to clean up the mess and also about the
>                 symbolism. His
>
>
>                 father is Jewish. He wondered if he had been targeted.
>                 I also was not
>
>
>                 happy, as a queer Jew with many family members in Yad
>                 Vashem.
>
>
>
>
>                 Unfortunately, this caused him to descend into another
>                 tirade in which
>
>
>                 nobody was spared. He assumed right away it was done
>                 by a Sudoroom
>
>
>                 member. There was a clear path of association that
>                 went: Sudoroom ->
>
>
>                 anarchists -> Nazis. At one point he even suggested
>                 that a kid from
>
>
>                 Sudo Kids had "come back to finish the job". But
>                 mostly he accused
>
>
>                 Sudo members. Since I was representing Sudoroom in
>                 this conversation,
>
>
>                 he ended up addressing me over and over as if I was
>                 personally
>
>
>                 responsible for this swastika, as if I had done it
>                 myself. I actually
>
>
>                 found this to be the most traumatic part of the whole
>                 event. Not even
>
>
>                 offensive, just downright traumatic.
>
>
>
>
>                 There was the usual fare of yelling about money and
>                 society and his
>
>
>                 inability to find good tenants. He twice informed me
>                 that he was
>
>
>                 evicting both Sudoroom and the Public School and that
>                 Laurie would
>
>
>                 prepare a 30 days notice. He's said that before. He
>                 told me that
>
>
>                 Sudoroom and Public School should close their doors
>                 for the rest of
>
>
>                 the day, because "If I see any of them, I will beat
>                 them up!" I told
>
>
>                 him I'm sorry, but I have a Linux class scheduled for
>                 2:00, please
>
>
>                 don't beat them up. That calmed him down a little. In
>                 short, the rant
>
>
>                 was a mix of old and new.
>
>
>
>
>                 Except this time Laurie was there. Laurie is our other
>                 landlord - she
>
>
>                 is George's wife and they own the building equally.
>                 The way he talked
>
>
>                 to her during this rant was very revealing, because
>                 she also became a
>
>
>                 target. He yelled at her for not having a 30-days
>                 notice already
>
>
>                 prepared, for having written the craigslist ads that
>                 attracted
>
>
>                 Sudoroom and Public School (and, incidentally, many of
>                 his other
>
>
>                 tenants). He said quite hurtful things to her,
>                 including that she was
>
>
>                 nothing but a drain on his life and that he wanted a
>                 divorce from her.
>
>
>
>
>                 She just stood there quietly saying nothing, holding
>                 their dog on a
>
>
>                 leash, looking at me with eyes that said "I'm sorry
>                 you have to see
>
>
>                 this." After a while, when George left the room, she
>                 apologized to me.
>
>
>                 She said "please don't listen to anything he said, he
>                 just gets that
>
>
>                 way when his buttons are pushed."
>
>
>
>
>                 They ended up not leaving for a couple hours.
>                 Initially George refused
>
>
>                 to clean the bathroom or let anybody else clean it
>                 because he wanted
>
>
>                 to show evidence to the cops, who he believed would
>                 show up to
>
>
>                 investigate. It took a chorus of Laurie and several of
>                 his other
>
>
>                 tenants to convince him that OPD doesn't show up for
>                 things like this,
>
>
>                 the cops aren't coming, the bathroom smells, please
>                 let's just clean
>
>
>                 it up. Eventually he lost steam and they left.
>
>
>
>
>                 I'm not really sure how to wrap up this email. Writing
>                 it was
>
>
>                 difficult. You will have to draw your own conclusions.
>
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