[sudo-discuss] Incident Saturday

Tue Sep 10 11:25:56 PDT 2013

Why don't we go in on something like this with both groups?

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4010598468.html

Haven't looked at it, but it seems really inexpensive.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Ryan Bethencourt <
ryan.bethencourt at gmail.com> wrote:

> Really sorry to hear what happened in regards to the rant (as I'm sure
> there were many innocent victims) but I just wanted to put in a dissenting
> voice in about a move.
>
> Sudo Room get's a lot of value from the space, far more than we pay in
> dues as we're allowed to use the common space for classes, meet ups and etc
> (while we only pay for one room). There are of course a lot of negatives
> but so far it seems that the positives (as a whole) outweigh the negatives.
> George does do tirades but so far they've been all bark and no bite, plus a
> community (like public schools and all of the other small
> groups/businesses) have been evolving alongside Sudo room. I'm all for task
> forces and finding better spaces but no space (or landlord) will be perfect.
>
> Just my two bitcoins!
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Louis Huang <louis.huang at aegia.nu>wrote:
>
>> I agree with Liberty.
>>
>> Sudoroom is a great hackerspace, and with the relationship next to the
>> Public School, the sciences and humanities meet on occasions with
>> interdisciplinary (humanities + science) communal events that are all the
>> more refreshing.
>>
>> If we were to leave, we might want to talk it over with the Public School
>> too (if it isn't already happening).
>>
>>
>> -Louis
>>
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>>
>>
>> On 2013-09-09 19:00, Liberty Madison wrote:
>>
>>> It makes no sense moving Sudo into another room at 2141 as long as it
>>> is govern by George. We need to relocate Sudo. I will be looking at
>>> locations along the Bart transit stops.Please Repeat
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>>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  you mean pack up all our space mining equipment and scatter among the
>>>> stars in search of a new homeworld?
>>>>
>>>> Sep 9, 2013 04:12:40 PM, andrew at roshambomedia.com wrote:
>>>> In complete agreement that Sudo cannot survive 2141 broadway. I would
>>>> also like to bring to the table the idea that we have two issues: 2141 and
>>>> finding a new space. I don't think leaving 2141 needs to be contingent on
>>>> finding somthing new. Events can be spread across different venues while
>>>> sudo members focus on finding a perminent space. We could even rent a
>>>> smaller room in 2141 while this happends.
>>>>
>>>> Just putting it out there...
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 9, 2013 2:52 PM, "Yardena Cohen" yardenack at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Sorry for being slow in documenting this, but the community deserves
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  to know that this happened.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  Sometime on Friday night, the men's bathroom was vandalized. I feel
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  confident that it was an art-murmur walk-in, but there is no way to
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  know for sure. They spread human feces along the walls creating what
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  appeared to be two swastika shapes - not entirely faithful renditions
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  but enough to reasonably perceive swastikas in them.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  I learned of this when I came to set up my TIL Saturday around noon.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Our landlord George showed it to me. He was understandably upset, both
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  about having to clean up the mess and also about the symbolism. His
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  father is Jewish. He wondered if he had been targeted. I also was not
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  happy, as a queer Jew with many family members in Yad Vashem.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  Unfortunately, this caused him to descend into another tirade in which
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  nobody was spared. He assumed right away it was done by a Sudoroom
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  member. There was a clear path of association that went: Sudoroom ->
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  anarchists -> Nazis. At one point he even suggested that a kid from
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Sudo Kids had "come back to finish the job". But mostly he accused
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Sudo members. Since I was representing Sudoroom in this conversation,
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  he ended up addressing me over and over as if I was personally
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  responsible for this swastika, as if I had done it myself. I actually
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  found this to be the most traumatic part of the whole event. Not even
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  offensive, just downright traumatic.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  There was the usual fare of yelling about money and society and his
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  inability to find good tenants. He twice informed me that he was
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  evicting both Sudoroom and the Public School and that Laurie would
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  prepare a 30 days notice. He's said that before. He told me that
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Sudoroom and Public School should close their doors for the rest of
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  the day, because "If I see any of them, I will beat them up!" I told
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  him I'm sorry, but I have a Linux class scheduled for 2:00, please
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  don't beat them up. That calmed him down a little. In short, the rant
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  was a mix of old and new.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  Except this time Laurie was there. Laurie is our other landlord - she
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  is George's wife and they own the building equally. The way he talked
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  to her during this rant was very revealing, because she also became a
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  target. He yelled at her for not having a 30-days notice already
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  prepared, for having written the craigslist ads that attracted
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Sudoroom and Public School (and, incidentally, many of his other
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  tenants). He said quite hurtful things to her, including that she was
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  nothing but a drain on his life and that he wanted a divorce from her.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  She just stood there quietly saying nothing, holding their dog on a
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  leash, looking at me with eyes that said "I'm sorry you have to see
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  this." After a while, when George left the room, she apologized to me.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  She said "please don't listen to anything he said, he just gets that
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  way when his buttons are pushed."
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  They ended up not leaving for a couple hours. Initially George refused
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  to clean the bathroom or let anybody else clean it because he wanted
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  to show evidence to the cops, who he believed would show up to
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  investigate. It took a chorus of Laurie and several of his other
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  tenants to convince him that OPD doesn't show up for things like this,
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  the cops aren't coming, the bathroom smells, please let's just clean
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  it up. Eventually he lost steam and they left.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  I'm not really sure how to wrap up this email. Writing it was
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  difficult. You will have to draw your own conclusions.
>>>>
>>>>>
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