[sudo-discuss] Privacy/Fourth Amendment activists - meeting at Sudo Room on Saturday

johanna faust female.faust at gmail.com
Wed Oct 2 13:44:02 PDT 2013 

here hear, to an extent which will soon ave been somewhat greater than i
now have the wit to encrypt...


meaning, i fully fully agree in theory, and in practice am learning.

i was however dreaming off and on of a way to interact with the fb ers --
comments and such -- without being on fb...


On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 11:04 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01 at att.net>wrote:

>
> The obvious solution is:  Use a FB link to reach people who are on FB, and
> a non-FB link to a non-FB site for people who won't go anywhere near FB.
>
> There's no problem with each of those being a separate link to a separate
> destination, because when a meeting occurs F2F, whoever shows up, shows
> up.  It doesn't matter whether they got there from FB, non-FB, or a flyer
> taped to a telephone pole.
>
> As for "everyone is being tracked," not those of us who have installed a
> bunch of anti-tracking software and turned up all our privacy settings to
> 11.
>
> The "everyone is being tracked (implied: so therefore give up)" meme is
> like the "don't bother with safe sex" meme during the early days of the
> HIV/AIDS pandemic, when people were getting infected and dying in large
> numbers.  Fatalism is defeatism.  Prevention is easy and free.
>
>
> =====
>
>
> On 13-09-28-Sat 10:45 PM, johanna faust wrote:
>
>  acetownes: please do.  here's the link:
>  DIS-INTER-Face-Book-MEDI-A-TION<http://femalefaust.blogspot.com/2013/09/dis-inter-face-medi-book-ation.html>
>
>  Andrew: i get that, i do.  keep wishing forf some sort of interface,
> though, so that the people who are not on it are easily included.  fully
> functional for both, comments and all, but integrateable with fb so that
> the fb people don't balk.
>
>
>  which they do, it seems, when they have to leave fb.  why is that?
>  can't they just open a new tab?  i wonder if the rest of the ineternet is
> more welcoming now that everyone knows everyone is being tracked, rather
> than just knowing fb does it,,,,
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:
>
>> Problem is, people use facebook. People who you might want to reach out
>> to. If you don't use facebook to get your message across you can really
>> only hope to preach to the choir. Tools are meant to be used, It's true
>> that now a days the tools find ways of using us, but we need to find ways
>> of understanding and mitigating *that* instead of just not using them at
>> all.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 1:06 PM, johanna faust <female.faust at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>   well said andrew, but, i think i'm with GtwoG PublicOhOne on this
>>> one.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Dis-inter-facebook-mediation
>>>
>>>
>>>  i understand that many find FB useful as a tool, and agree that
>>> organization in the face of the Panopticon, like living well, is a most
>>> excellent way to tell it to get fucked.  where i begin to object is to that
>>> organization happening primarily in that virtual environment, instead of a
>>> point being made to make the organizational center one that makes no
>>> assumptions of membership prerequisite to use, to full functionality.
>>>
>>>
>>>  my objection to FB isn't (just) because of the ubiquitous and now (at
>>> last!) publicly acknowledged surveillance state.  not even primarily.
>>>
>>>
>>>  it *is*, for me, an intuitive understanding of the unexamined and
>>> unrestrained use of such traitorous corporate bullshit. of the self
>>> loathing that is the easy consequence.  of the alienation, the feelings of
>>> worthlessness and despair, the subliminal reinforcement of which is
>>> structurally built in, taken for granted, assumed, by anyone wanting to
>>> make use of this so called "tool."
>>>
>>>
>>>  what does it say to fully embrace a tool that so denigrates,
>>> disregards, and openly mocks those qualities of human communication, of the
>>> human spirit, that it cannot effectively monetize, influence, and/or
>>> control?
>>>
>>>
>>>  FB interposes its sickness with the unwavering and obvious purpose of
>>> an opt-in, always-on, depthless and fickle intermediation as useless as a
>>> form of true creative expression as it is a source of real nourishment.
>>>
>>>
>>>  the medium is the message.
>>>
>>>
>>>  i believe the ceo of fb called the very end users upon whose aggregate
>>> data he built his empire "dumb fucks."
>>>
>>>
>>>  i realize i am ranting.  i feel, however, that rants such as this are
>>> needed.  every individual and unique soul's version of such a rant,
>>> displayed prominently wherever and whenever faces are booked, would be the
>>> beginning of a much needed healing.
>>>
>>>
>>>  a counterweight. so we can open the windows.  so we can communicate
>>> freely.  so we can begin to refuse to be sold without our fully informed,
>>> self respecting consent.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  **ahem* *
>>>
>>> *thanks everyone who read that for your attention and
>>> consideration......... midwives, all of you, that just helped bring another
>>> blog **post*<http://femalefaust.blogspot.com/2013/09/dis-inter-face-medi-book-ation.html>
>>> * into the world.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> communication is powerful. If everyone is too afraid to communicate in
>>> the open, it's trivial to confuse, divide, and conquer. Think for your self
>>> and use your tools wisely.
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Tony Barreca <tony.barreca at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hiding out in the open is an old, and often preferred, strategy.
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at clear.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Paradoxical, at best.
>>>
>>> See, "Isn't It Ironic, Fixed" at http://youtu.be/32LCwZFoKio
>>>
>>> Reminder - this is a publicly archived list, and in this case containing
>>> an announcement for an open strategy meeting, set in a place open to the
>>> public with known surveillance camera live streaming.
>>>
>>> Given what we now know about the NSA, nearly all communication tools we
>>> now use straddle this paradox. Those tools without an illusion of privacy,
>>> such as Facebook Events, are in fact more straightforward regarding
>>> expectations of privacy, IMHO.
>>>
>>>
>>>  sent from eddan.com
>>>
>>> On Sep 25, 2013, at 11:16 PM, Louis Huang <louis.huang at aegia.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>> While I do find the irony, lets cut them some slack. It's just another
>>> tool for communication after all.
>>>
>>> Fyi, ACLU and the EFF are giving a lecture at the public school on Oct.
>>> 2nd,  i do believe.
>>>
>>> - Louie
>>>
>>> On Sep 25, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Alice Townes <acetownes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Haha! Ironically, it's our number one recruitment/communication tool.
>>> But http://restorethefourthsf.com/events/third-open-strategy-meeting/if you prefer.
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:52 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <
>>> g2g-public01 at att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> A meeting for *privacy and 4th-A activists*, where the link is on
>>> FACEBOOK....?
>>>
>>> My irony meter just pegged.  That was a joke, right?
>>>
>>>
>>>  =====
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 13-09-25-Wed 2:47 PM, Alice Townes wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Sudo Room subscribers,
>>>
>>> I'm writing to you to make sure you know about a meeting this Saturday
>>> for privacy/Fourth Amendment activists. We're planning a lot of new things
>>> as well as recruiting for current things during the meeting, and you should
>>> come if you are interested.
>>> https://www.facebook.com/events/394998687290066/
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Alice
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> communication is powerful. If everyone is too afraid to communicate in
>>>> the open, it's trivial to confuse, divide, and conquer. Think for your self
>>>> and use your tools wisely.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Tony Barreca <tony.barreca at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hiding out in the open is an old, and often preferred, strategy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at clear.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Paradoxical, at best.
>>>>>> See, "Isn't It Ironic, Fixed" at http://youtu.be/32LCwZFoKio
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reminder - this is a publicly archived list, and in this case
>>>>>> containing an announcement for an open strategy meeting, set in a place
>>>>>> open to the public with known surveillance camera live streaming.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Given what we now know about the NSA, nearly all communication
>>>>>> tools we now use straddle this paradox. Those tools without an illusion of
>>>>>> privacy, such as Facebook Events, are in fact more straightforward
>>>>>> regarding expectations of privacy, IMHO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sent from eddan.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 25, 2013, at 11:16 PM, Louis Huang <louis.huang at aegia.nu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   While I do find the irony, lets cut them some slack. It's just
>>>>>> another tool for communication after all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Fyi, ACLU and the EFF are giving a lecture at the public school on
>>>>>> Oct. 2nd,  i do believe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Louie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 25, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Alice Townes <acetownes at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Haha! Ironically, it's our number one recruitment/communication
>>>>>> tool. But
>>>>>> http://restorethefourthsf.com/events/third-open-strategy-meeting/ if
>>>>>> you prefer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:52 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <
>>>>>> g2g-public01 at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A meeting for *privacy and 4th-A activists*, where the link is on
>>>>>>> FACEBOOK....?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My irony meter just pegged.  That was a joke, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =====
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 13-09-25-Wed 2:47 PM, Alice Townes wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Hello Sudo Room subscribers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm writing to you to make sure you know about a meeting this
>>>>>>> Saturday for privacy/Fourth Amendment activists. We're planning a lot of
>>>>>>> new things as well as recruiting for current things during the meeting, and
>>>>>>> you should come if you are interested.
>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/events/394998687290066/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>> Alice
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing listsudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.orghttp://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>   _______________________________________________
>>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list
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>>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Tony Barreca
>>>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/tonybarreca
>>>>> Skype: tonybarreca
>>>>> Twitter: tbarreca
>>>>> Mobile: (510) 710-5864 <%28510%29%20710-5864>
>>>>>
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>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>  -------
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>>>> Cell: 831-332-2507
>>>> http://roshambomedia.com
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  --
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -------
>> Andrew Lowe
>> Cell: 831-332-2507
>> http://roshambomedia.com
>>
>>
>
>
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