[sudo-discuss] Possible new sudo space

[Max B]

Since we're taking a step back to do some reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentrification#Displacement


On Tue 26 Nov 2013 11:54:07 AM PST, Sonja Trauss wrote:
> This is pretty good and interesting. I support the idea of articulating
> some clear positions, and not getting stuck in an incoherent mess of ideas.
> I think the author is wrong though, to oppose new building. That makes
> housing shortages worse, and then raises rent. (See sf) also the author
> claims new residents aren't interested in street life. I don't think that's
> true. Yuppies looove walking their dogs to the coffee shop.
>
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Max B wrote:
>
>> Here's an amazing article with a ton of history:
>>
>>
>> http://www.bayofrage.com/from-the-bay/oakland-is-for-burning-beyond-a-critique-of-gentrification/
>>
>> I would highly recommend anyone who thinks they have useful things to
>> say on the mailing list to read ALL of it and reconsider their
>> remarks......
>>
>> On 11/26/2013 11:19 AM, mattsenate at gmail.com wrote:
>>> Is this the best context to wrestle with the big questions of
>> gentrification, oppression based on race or ethnicity, etc?
>>>
>>> What if the conversation was focused, honed in on more tangible
>> questions? Can anyone present us with some good insight and analysis based
>> on evidence of contemporary gentrification, the east bay, Oakland, and the
>> neighborhoods in question? What are the implications for commercial renters
>> and social change organizations like sudo room?
>>>
>>> Can anyone find a presenter for a sudo room weekly meeting so we can
>> learn more?
>>>
>>> By the way, Shake Anderson is planning to share the story of saving from
>> foreclosure Liberty Hall in West Oakland at 7:30 at the sudo meeting on
>> Wednesday.
>>>
>>> // Matt
>>>
>>> ----- Reply message -----
>>> From: "Sonja Trauss" <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Pete Forsyth" <peteforsyth at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: "sudo-discuss" <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>>> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Possible new sudo space
>>> Date: Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:58
>>> Just because that's the usual context for gentrification. "pretty mixed"
>> in that context meant in the interests and jobs of the residents. I meant w
>> o is already home to many anarchists/ makers/ artists. Not clear though,
>> fair.
>>> I should look up the race breakdown though. It's 65% black I think and
>> the rest Asian Latino and white. Not in that order, I don't remember the
>> order.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth  wrote:
>>>
>>> Sonja, given that -- as you say -- West Oakland is "pretty mixed"
>> racially and culturally, what is it that leads you to conclude that Amber
>> was talking about black people, and commenting on race?
>>>
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah you need to give black people more credit. Did you know, some of
>> them like coffee shops also? some of them can read? Some of them have
>> computers? Some of them might become sudo members? Black people are pretty
>> similar to white people and like lots of the same things!!! Wow.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In any case w. O. Is pretty mixed. There are lots burners and anarchists
>> there that would like sudo room too. My roommate Randall will be there
>> every day if you move to 8th and Alice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Listen if anyone on this list is actually worried about the harmful
>> effects of gentrification, I'm happy to brainstorm how to accomplish these
>> two specific goals:Under no circumstances should the west Oakland housing
>> projects move or be converted. (This will not be a real concern for 25
>> years, but still)
>>>
>>>
>>> Make new building in w o very very easy. The main attractive feature of
>> w O is cheapness of rent. We still have plenty of empty space. There is no
>> reason that supply tightness should cause rents to rise for 50 more years
>> SO LONG AS ANTI GENTRIFICATION concerns DONT PREVENT NEW BUILDING.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth  wrote:
>>> Everybody has different views on gentrification. But speaking for
>> myself, the kind that bothers me is the high-security condos with on-site
>> parking where rich people get cheap real estate and then have zero
>> incentive or inclination to engage with their neighbors. They drive to
>> work, drive to Whole Foods, and in between sit behind bars on their
>> balconies while their neighbors push shopping carts by their fortresslike
>> front doors to the recycling center.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sudo Room *exists* to build community. It may not build the kind of
>> community that everybody wants to  participate in, but it does offer
>> opportunities that don't exist absent a hacker space. It's hard for me to
>> imagine Sudo Room doing damage to its neighborhood, and even if something
>> unexpected happened, I think its community would act quickly to correct the
>> problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:45 AM, AnimationAmber . <
>> amberyadaanimation at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It should be noted that aiming for a space in a "less-gentrified"
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